Bus and tube fares to rise :(

[zenie]

From what I can gather you can still get them and not have to register but only at tube stations and you have to buy a weekly ticket (it may be daily but the website was confusing).

Is this still valid?

Why the £3 deposit??

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

From what I can gather you can still get them and not have to register but only at tube stations and you have to buy a weekly ticket (it may be daily but the website was confusing).

Is this still valid?

Why the £3 deposit??

I bought a weekly Oyster travelcard at a newsagents and wasn't charged £3

 

[zenie]

I bought a weekly Oyster travelcard at a newsagents and wasn't charged £3

Yeh it's only if you pre-pay

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Yeh it's only if you pre-pay

so why not get a weekly?

 

[zenie]

so why not get a weekly?

Cos I dont need a weekly

Not living in the capital atm so would like an oyster on pre pay without my info being on there iykwim

 

[lighterthief]

so why not get a weekly?

Because not everyone gets enough use out of their Oystercard each week to justify the expense. That's what the pre-pay cards are for.

 

[chio]

Not living in the capital atm so would like an oyster on pre pay without my info being on there iykwim

I don't live there either, and I've got a pre-pay Oyster (in a drawer somewhere). Didn't have to hand over any information at all.

 

[maldwyn]

london buses are already very heavily subsidised, a few billion iirc

Not quite in the billions.

The amount of GLA Transport grant allocated to London Buses to bridge the gap between fare box income and the cost of providing the service was around£200m in 2001/02. According to TfLs business plan this is budgeted to rise to around £300m in 2002/03 and is planned to rise to around £500m in 2004/05
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_localtrans/documents/page/dft_localtrans_503966-02.hcsp .

Curiously, it’s not easy finding figures for the collective profits of bus operators.

 

[nino_savatte]

Organise a mass boycott now!!!!! I'm sick to fucking death of these annual fare increases. There is NO need for them. How many other cities increase public transport fares year upon year as London does? Not many I'd wager. Spo what do we do? We moan and groan and pay our fares...it's time to fight back!!!!!

Fuck tfl and Ken fucking Livingstone!

 

[Callie]

Has everyone totally forgotten that under 16s get on the buses free now? You have to pay for that somehow, not that Im saying thats why theres been a fare increase.

 

[nino_savatte]

Has everyone totally forgotten that under 16s get on the buses free now? You have to pay for that somehow, not that Im saying thats why theres been a fare increase.

That is NO excuse: this happens every year. It's robbery by any other name.

 

[Callie]

What that thousand of people are allowed to travel on Londons buses for free? I thought it was quite a new arrangment

 

[maomao]

The bendy buses have been cash and ticket free for some time now.

Where do I actually get an oystercard? Newsagents? Train station? I don't get to a tube station till half way through my journey.

 

[nino_savatte]

What that thousand of people are allowed to travel on Londons buses for free? I thought it was quite a new arrangment

Please try reading the post and then try comprehending the text I have typed.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

this thread has reminded me to fix my bicycle.

 

[milesy]

Please try reading the post and then try comprehending the text I have typed.

oh snooty!!

 

[nino_savatte]

oh snooty!!

No, it's true...Callie didn't read my post, rather he/she read something into it. But that's the "I'm alright Jack mentality" that's done this country proud for so many years.

Sorry if you don't like it.

 

[lighterthief]

Organise a mass boycott now!!!!! I'm sick to fucking death of these annual fare increases. There is NO need for them. How many other cities increase public transport fares year upon year as London does? Not many I'd wager. Spo what do we do? We moan and groan and pay our fares...it's time to fight back!!!!!

Fuck tfl and Ken fucking Livingstone!

Fares will go down next year for those using an Oystercard.

 

[Callie]

No, it's true...Callie didn't read my post, rather he/she read something into it. But that's the "I'm alright Jack mentality" that's done this country proud for so many years.

erm your the one whos reading something it - are you saying I have an Im alright Jack mentality? what are you basing this on?

 

[nino_savatte]

erm your the one whos reading something it - are you saying I have an Im alright Jack mentality? what are you basing this on?

This is what I said

That is NO excuse: this happens every year. It's robbery by any other name.

And your reply

What that thousand of people are allowed to travel on Londons buses for free? I thought it was quite a new arrangment

Now tell me how you weren't reading anything into my post. Are you one of the "thousands" who travel for free on the buses? Under 16's may get free bus travel but those who are unemployed get nothing. In many other cities in Britain, concessionary travel schemes exist for the unemployed. Furthermore, your point about the increases being used to pay for free travel for under 16's does not stand up, given the fact that these increases are an annual feature of London life. It's about greed, mismanagement and incompetence.

 

[nino_savatte]

Fares will go down next year for those using an Oystercard.

Until increases are sneaked past you that is. You still cannot use Oyster pre pay on National Rail services in Greater London. There is only one reason for this: the greed of the rail operators. If they could possibly get away with it, they would refuse monthly Oyster too.

 

[Callie]

did you not see the ->


it means i was joking! christ

you havent answered my point about the 'im alright jack mentality', what has that got to do with anything? were you talking about me and my attitude?

 

[nino_savatte]

did you not see the ->


it means i was joking! christ

you havent answered my point about the 'im alright jack mentality', what has that got to do with anything? were you talking about me and my attitude?

I answered your point with this question.

Are you one of the "thousands" who travel for free on the buses?

You appear to have taken the position that because some people get free travel, it's tough shit for the others. You weren't terribly clear.

 

[Callie]

Until increases are sneaked past you that is. You still cannot use Oyster pre pay on National Rail services in Greater London. There is only one reason for this: the greed of the rail operators. If they could possibly get away with it, they would refuse monthly Oyster too.

National Rail are private companies and are not covered by London Transport. Buses, DLR, the tube and trams are all part of LT. An oyster card is an LT pass at the moment. Many train stations have oyster readers installed but theyre not functioning - I think people may be able to get season type tickets available as an oyster card.

 

[Callie]

You appear to have taken the position that because some people get free travel, it's tough shit for the others. You weren't terribly clear.

Im not taking that position at all, I just mentioned that it was a recent event that Under 16s get to travel for free on buses/tram (and DLR?? not sure about that one). Do you think this could happen at no cost?

 

[nino_savatte]

National Rail are private companies and are not covered by London Transport. Buses, DLR, the tube and trams are all part of LT. An oyster card is an LT pass at the moment. Many train stations have oyster readers installed but theyre not functioning - I think people may be able to get season type tickets available as an oyster card.

If that is the case then why are monthly Oyster cards accepted on National Rail services...despite the absence of card readers? If they are "LT passes" as you say, then the fact that they are "property" of LT rather than rail tickets means that they should not be used either. Actually I can get a monthly travel card put onto my Oyster pre pay but they have no way of knowing this unless they have those portable reader things.

 

[nino_savatte]

Im not taking that position at all, I just mentioned that it was a recent event that Under 16s get to travel for free on buses/tram (and DLR?? not sure about that one). Do you think this could happen at no cost?

And my point was this happens every year regardless. The under 16's scheme is a straw man.

 

[Callie]

If that is the case then why are monthly Oyster cards accepted on National Rail services...despite the absence of card readers? If they are "LT passes" as you say, then the fact that they are "property" of LT rather than rail tickets means that they should not be used either. Actually I can get a monthly travel card put onto my Oyster pre pay but they have no way of knowing this unless they have those portable reader things.

Hmm I dunno! I always thought the oyster cards werent able to be used in rail stations my local station had big posters up saying they couldnt

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Organise a mass boycott now!!!!! ...it's time to fight back!!!!!

Do you propose eveyrone walks to work then?

 

[Callie]

And my point was this happens every year regardless. The under 16's scheme is a straw man.

so it happens every year...regardless. Do you not think that fares should go up? Are you upset that theyve gone up or are you upset about the amount theyve gone up by?