Burqas are prisons - Muslim minister
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danny la rouge
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Indeed. So how does the ordinary Muslim know which anecdotes have which religious meaning?
danny la rouge
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Not once they know he breeds black dogs, they won't!
Not once they know he breeds black dogs, they won't!
No, but there'll doubtless be consolation in knowing that they should.
The most easy method is when reading a hadith you ask yourself first of all if what is told in that tradition is yes or no in concordance with the Message of Al Qur'an. If it is not the hadith must be dismissed.
salaam.
Not once they know he breeds black dogs, they won't!
I don't breed Newfoundlanders. (One such giant hairball is enough.)
salaam.
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hiraethified
If there is a God, Allah or whatever, why the fuck would he/she/entity want half of the population to be permanently covered up and hidden away from the beauty of nature?
Sure seems a mighty perverse twisting of any religious teaching. Oh hang on. There's blokes involved doing the imposin' on women.
Sure seems a mighty perverse twisting of any religious teaching. Oh hang on. There's blokes involved doing the imposin' on women.
But who are you to say the Hadith has inferior canonical status to the Quran?
Because no hadith has "canonical status".
They are merely stories told buy humans, concerning the Prophet, his life, actions, teachings, including stories about companions and account of the time period of early Islam. (and as such also *the* historical source although not meant to be).
Al Qur'an is the Word of God.
salaam.
I don't even know which miracle made you go off my IL list
I must have been asleep.
salaam;
editor
hiraethified
No, but any human (or invisible entity) that makes half the population of the planet view nature and God's wonderful creations through a tiny eye slit and forbids them from feeling the summer breeze on their body, the rain on their hair, or the sun on their face sure sounds mighty fucked up to me.
Yes but you didn't answer my question. Who are you - and by that I mean you, Aldeberan - to decide that the Quran is the word of God and the Hadith are "merely" stories?
I don't even know which miracle made you go off my IL list
I must have been asleep.
salaam;
Perhaps it had something to do with me not being on your ignore list in the first place.
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As far as I'm aware there is no substantial clarification of this scriptural relationship in either the Quran or any "scientifically" exalted Hadith - so I'd very much like to know if there is such a passage, and if not where scholars base their opinion on the matter from.
As far as I'm aware there is no substantial clarification of this scriptural relationship in either the Quran or any "scientifically" exalted Hadith - so I'd very much like to know if there is such a passage, and if not where scholars base their opinion on the matter from.
FridgeMagnet
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This whole affair has nothing to do with women anyway, except in terms of making them pawns in the game that's being played. Refusing to allow citizenship because somebody wears the burqa is not about promoting equality, it's about putting the boot into a particular social group which has a high proportion of Muslims in it, be they practicing or non-practicing, in a situation where the burqa is both perceived and promoted as part of Islam. I haven't seen any other examples of people being refused citizenship because they were submissive to patriarchal systems.
Nothing to do with me, every Muslim shall tell you the same. Stories recorded in the Hadith compilations are not Divine Revelation and began circulating after the death of the Prophet. Al Qur'an is the Word of God. (And don't take my use of the word "merely" for any more than it is: "merely human" in contrast to the Word of God.)
I you want to discuss the validity of the claim that Al Qur'an is the Word of God, that is in my view food for a separate thread.
I think you were. Now there is only one lonely soul there left. If he escapes too, I must close the prison.
salaam.
Are all Christian countries the same or do they also have cultures of their own?
Do Christians in the Uk all dress like Greek Authordox?
The same goes for Muslims. Local areas have their own ideas about dress for both men and women as well as customs that are not related to Islam.
Still I suppose it depends on what you want to see. If you dislike Muslims the truth is nothing to do with an argument.
Badger Kitten
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It was the norm until a few decades ago for Christian women to cover their heads in church in this country, and before that, for them to cover their heads when in public. Now very few UK Christian women do, even though the New Testament still has it in there.
But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head” (1 Cor. 11:5-6)
It was not only Scripture and Tradition that prescribed women to cover their heads in church. It was also mandated by Canon Law. In fact, the old Canon 1262.2 stated that women must cover their heads “especially when they approach the holy table.”
But in the sixties, Vatican II and the modernisation of the RC church meant that this was quietly dropped.
Culture, tradition, changing times.
But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head” (1 Cor. 11:5-6)
It was not only Scripture and Tradition that prescribed women to cover their heads in church. It was also mandated by Canon Law. In fact, the old Canon 1262.2 stated that women must cover their heads “especially when they approach the holy table.”
But in the sixties, Vatican II and the modernisation of the RC church meant that this was quietly dropped.
Culture, tradition, changing times.
danny la rouge
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Nobody here is arguing that there is a uniform Islamic culture. Indeed my discussion with Aldebaran demonstrates that as much as anything else. What is being asked is how culture can be separated from religion. That goes as much for Italian Catholicism, Greek Orthodoxy and Hebridean Presbyterianism as it does for the varieties of Islam.
Ask a Sabbatarian from Stornoway where his culture stops and his religion starts and he will be as unable to tell you as my friend the Muslim canine-ophobe.
^^
There really is something particularly infuriating about this kind of sentiment. Never mind the crap username.
Which is pretty much proof that there is no God as is told us in the books.
Regarding your last comment, it's understandable, but i might offer my interpretation may help uncover root causes of the injustice of imposition by one on another: There's more powerful people doing the imposing on anybody that's in their way.
Plenty of human men have caused this burqa thing. Don't need no God!
Human rights are not national, they are universal, and according to them it can be safe to say that the burqa that is forced to be worn is against basic human conditions of life. Doesn't matter what mind thinks that, it can be of any nationality.
Incidentally, and interestingly i think, the burqa is from the same continent where it is still widespread that the men control the women. It's a man's world. It's one of the minus points about most of asia.
Asia has its own cultural influences, that go right across religions. It's a hierarchical continent.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, not all 'christian countries' (!) are the same. Thery have different cultures. Cultures which are to a greater or lesser degree bound up with their religious development. It's impossible to seperate that living reality into culture on the one hand and religion on the other, given that they are both substantial components of each other . Thank you for helping me make my point.
I guess if you want to see islamophobia then you're going to see islamophobia.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Your substantial point is correct. But on the christian headcovering thing, i attended mass every day except saturday from the ages of 5 to 16. I never once saw a woman with a head covering.
edit: and that was in RC churches. I can't talk for the proddies but i doubt they paid any heed to the pope one way or the other.
As an antidote to the topic thread...
Until a western-influenced king of thailand came along and changed things about 100 years ago, i think less, the women would walk around with ankle-length sarongs and nothing else.
Walking down a multi-cultural, history resistant, street one might find a shape walking along with a totally hidden face, while just behind is a topless beauty from the orient...
I think the old men from thailand win hands down over the men who wanted their women to wear burqas, to hide away their natural beauty. The thais got a double helping of nature, while the burqa men got lose lose situation.
Is this religious, cultural? Is it not just plain old control psychology in action (ie to be found anywhere societies of humans are)? People want to control other people because they themselves are controlled.
Free men would never suggest covering up one of the most beautiful sights on earth. It's fucking insane man.
Until a western-influenced king of thailand came along and changed things about 100 years ago, i think less, the women would walk around with ankle-length sarongs and nothing else.
Walking down a multi-cultural, history resistant, street one might find a shape walking along with a totally hidden face, while just behind is a topless beauty from the orient...
I think the old men from thailand win hands down over the men who wanted their women to wear burqas, to hide away their natural beauty. The thais got a double helping of nature, while the burqa men got lose lose situation.
Is this religious, cultural? Is it not just plain old control psychology in action (ie to be found anywhere societies of humans are)? People want to control other people because they themselves are controlled.
Free men would never suggest covering up one of the most beautiful sights on earth. It's fucking insane man.
Bloody hell!
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