tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
But they do pay taxes for municipal services not received.
Bulldozer attack in Jerusalem
- Thread starter Augie March
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But they do pay taxes for municipal services not received.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
It's dreadful to see the carnage this murderer has caused. More lives ruined. More dead to mourn. The killer should have been arrested and brought to justice, not executed. That too was a pointless murder.
This conflict is insane.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998340.html
This conflict is insane.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998340.html
Spion
I hear ya
You're quite right . . .
"Israel treats Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem as immigrants who live in their homes at the beneficence of the authorities and not by right. The authorities maintain this policy although these Palestinians were born in Jerusalem, lived in the city, and have no other home. Treating these Palestinians as foreigners who entered Israel is astonishing, since it was Israel that entered East Jerusalem in 1967."
http://www.btselem.org/English/Jerusalem/Legal_Status.asp
JHE
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He had to be stopped. Stopped, not slowed or annoyed or injured. Stopped, stopped there and then. How would you have stopped him without shooting him?
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
At worst, could have shot his fucking foot or hand off. He wouldn't have died from that and would be well enough to stand trial within weeks.
I think when somebody starts bulldozing civilians it's probably not a time for weighing up the options of how to stop them and more a time for stopping them as quickly as possible. In this case, bullet to the head.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I wonder how many Israelis have been shot freaking out.
Spion
I hear ya
This guy got beat to death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
There were no murder charges for those who beat Jewish terrorist Eden Natan-Zada to death. He was regarded as mentally ill, was a settler, and had been in touch with the outlawed Kach movement. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/992889.html
I do not think that the Arab Israeli terrorist who bulldozed those people in Jerusalem will be called mentally ill though.
SCRUB THAT.!! See latest post
I do not think that the Arab Israeli terrorist who bulldozed those people in Jerusalem will be called mentally ill though.
SCRUB THAT.!! See latest post
JHE
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Dear me, there's some unrealistic stuff here!
Even if, by magic, you had as many plodmobiles as you wanted where you wanted them in an instant, there would still be the little problem of the killer driving a fucking bulldozer! A plodmobile is just as bulldozable as the next car. He'd already bulldozed a bus!
You can bet the ignition was turned off once the killer had been killed.
While he was still alive and doing his jihad thang, do you think he would have let you turn the engine off?
"Scuse me, Ahmed, you don't mind if I just get into the cab, lean round you and switch the engine off, do you? You do...? Oh, um..."
Hence the lethal struggle - won, thank fuck, by Mr Plod.
I think you've been watching too many Clint Eastwood films or other Hollywood fantasy.
Even if you succeeded in inflicting the injuries you suggest, do you think the killer would then have stopped and asked for an ambulance?
There's an odd notion that gets put around by those who use expressions like 'shoot to kill'. They suggest that one might shoot a person to wound or shoot to tickle or shoot to disarm. Kerpow! The gun was knocked out of the baddy's hand! No, I'm afraid it's just not like that in the real world.
Soldiers and police shoot to stop. That's why they aim at the head or the chest. If you are shot in the head or the chest, obviously you are highly likely to die.
Even if, by magic, you had as many plodmobiles as you wanted where you wanted them in an instant, there would still be the little problem of the killer driving a fucking bulldozer! A plodmobile is just as bulldozable as the next car. He'd already bulldozed a bus!
You can bet the ignition was turned off once the killer had been killed.
While he was still alive and doing his jihad thang, do you think he would have let you turn the engine off?
"Scuse me, Ahmed, you don't mind if I just get into the cab, lean round you and switch the engine off, do you? You do...? Oh, um..."
Hence the lethal struggle - won, thank fuck, by Mr Plod.
At worst, could have shot his fucking foot or hand off. He wouldn't have died from that and would be well enough to stand trial within weeks.
I think you've been watching too many Clint Eastwood films or other Hollywood fantasy.
Even if you succeeded in inflicting the injuries you suggest, do you think the killer would then have stopped and asked for an ambulance?
There's an odd notion that gets put around by those who use expressions like 'shoot to kill'. They suggest that one might shoot a person to wound or shoot to tickle or shoot to disarm. Kerpow! The gun was knocked out of the baddy's hand! No, I'm afraid it's just not like that in the real world.
Soldiers and police shoot to stop. That's why they aim at the head or the chest. If you are shot in the head or the chest, obviously you are highly likely to die.
JHE
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Yes, so I just heard on the radio. The same applies. The jihadi bulldozer driver was shot in the head to stop him. The civilian who shot him did a good job.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Is it cause I is black....
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Yes. Because civilians should go around carrying guns and killing people when they see a crime. Of course the whole trouble with stopping those bulldozers is that they are quite designed not to be stopped for some reason or other, can't remember why.
In a way it's a bit like a family who keep pit-bulls losing a child to one of their own. Horrible....but frankly not a shocking surprise.
Spion
I hear ya
There's a massive inconsistency in your worldview, JHE. You seem to be a person who is very concerned with fair and just treatment in the workplace, and you can give an eloquent description of the iniquities of capitalism in our society. But, when dealing with a situation such as Israel-Palestine, where one part of the population is subject to occupation and has massive inequalities forced on them by a heavily armed state, all that's good in your worldview evaporates. Not only that, your posts are replete with the kind of racially-tinged piss taking that would do the worst of the workplace bullies proud.
Why is that? Are you just inconsistent or does a blind hatred of particular types of foreigner and/or their culture come first for you?
Kenny Vermouth
Wankers
Wow, U75's Anti-Semitism Club is in full swing today.
Don your red armband with the, goosestep to the nearest synagogue and petrol bomb it. You'll be rid of those pesky Jews soon.
I hear there's quite a few of them in north London for you and your bovver boot-wearing boys to 'play' with.
Don your red armband with the, goosestep to the nearest synagogue and petrol bomb it. You'll be rid of those pesky Jews soon.
I hear there's quite a few of them in north London for you and your bovver boot-wearing boys to 'play' with.
Dexter: "Yes, because civilains should go around carrying guns and shooting people in the head when they commit crimes.": ABSOLUTELY. Of course, they could just do what Arabs do when they have a criminal in their midst, rip him from limb to limb before hanging the torso from the nearest tree branch. Give me a break, the man was on a murderous rampage and he got much less then he deserved considering the number of Israelis who do crarry guns as a matter of course.
Tangent: "The killer should have been arrested and brought to justice.": Pray tell, ever see a D9 at full throttle? How does one just climb into that cab and "arrest someone." I admire your voice of reason but it is totally unrealistic. The man got much less then he needed.
Spiomn: Any Arab anywhere outside of al Hejaz is a migrant, not a ntive. Jews are native to Judea, hence the name, or has that not yet occurred to you. Arabs are called Arabs cause, guess what, they come from Arabia. Any living in E. Jerusalem should kiss the ground the walk on becuase it is not their land, never has been, and if any justice lives on in this world never will be.
They are damned lucky that we are giviong them Gaza and most of the "WB"," both of which are also Jewish lands, after they stole 85% of the Mandate with that horrid invention of Jordan but it was you Brits that created that monstrosity.
Tangent: "The killer should have been arrested and brought to justice.": Pray tell, ever see a D9 at full throttle? How does one just climb into that cab and "arrest someone." I admire your voice of reason but it is totally unrealistic. The man got much less then he needed.
Spiomn: Any Arab anywhere outside of al Hejaz is a migrant, not a ntive. Jews are native to Judea, hence the name, or has that not yet occurred to you. Arabs are called Arabs cause, guess what, they come from Arabia. Any living in E. Jerusalem should kiss the ground the walk on becuase it is not their land, never has been, and if any justice lives on in this world never will be.
They are damned lucky that we are giviong them Gaza and most of the "WB"," both of which are also Jewish lands, after they stole 85% of the Mandate with that horrid invention of Jordan but it was you Brits that created that monstrosity.
Spion
I hear ya
It wasn't a D9 and it was standing still. You can't even get the most basic facts right
Spion
I hear ya
Here we have a thoroughly racist view of what constitutes an Arab, concocted to serve an equally racist Zionist worldview.
For a better idea what characterisitics are generally used to define 'Arab' see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab#Definition
Although this is somewhat academic to anyone who considers a state should offer equal rights to all irrespective of ethnicity
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I thought most of the Jews in Israel were native to US, Europe, Russian and Ethiopia. They are the real migrants.
Tangent: "Arabs pay taxes.": I admire that TRY and get your facts at least from an Israeli source but what Ha'aretz did not tell you was that while Israeli-Jews pay roughly 80% of their allotted taxes, only 72.9 Israeli-Arabs pay theirs so it comes down to a simple proposition. If you lived in a municipality where only 72.9% of your neighbours were paying their share of taxes, how do you think your munipal tax base would look? Do you imagine Tangent that you would have a sparkling infrastructure?
There are many Arab towns that are completely unregistered and as a result pay no taxes at all. Heaven Forbid when the govt. tries to come in and rectify things, then they are accused of singling out Arabs but it is only Arabs doing such things. No other ethnicity forms towns and villages without a charter, without permits, without registering or even applying for land!!!
Your whole post on E. Jerusalem makes absolutely no sense since E. Jerusalem was formally annexed almost 3 decades ago, just as Jordanians had done before them. Israel is a Jewish Land, Jerusalem is its ancient capital. My people were sying to protect it before you had an English Language.
Arabs wish to build, aside from Jordan, Gaza, and the so called "West Bank" they are not really in any position to demand more. AS long as a single Jew canot step foot in al Hejaz, I do not feel a single thing for an Arab denied anything in East Jerusalem, aland they came to to as conquerors and usurpers.
Plenty of open land in the "WB" and they will soon be able to build house upon house there.
Spion: "They treat Arabs in E. Jerusalem as immigrants!": Guess what? They ARE. Arabs came atop their camels , speeding in from the Syrian desert with violence and nothing more. They did not come to farm, to share inn any culture, they came to CONQUER. Guess what? Jews no longer must cower in alleyways being sliced to bits. Today we are strong enough to defend what is ours and we will. IF they choose to live peacefully, they will be welcomed as a minority, if they come other than in peace they will be mowed down as they should have been all those years ago.
From 48 to 67 not a single Jew could enter E. Jerusalem and I have to add, E. Jerusalem, the part you dream is Arab, is where HaKotel stands so so much for all that fantasy of Arab land.
IF they want to engage in fantasy about hoprses with wings flying from the Temple Mount, waste theior time, but if it gets in the way of the Jewish State...You can guess the rest.
There are many Arab towns that are completely unregistered and as a result pay no taxes at all. Heaven Forbid when the govt. tries to come in and rectify things, then they are accused of singling out Arabs but it is only Arabs doing such things. No other ethnicity forms towns and villages without a charter, without permits, without registering or even applying for land!!!
Your whole post on E. Jerusalem makes absolutely no sense since E. Jerusalem was formally annexed almost 3 decades ago, just as Jordanians had done before them. Israel is a Jewish Land, Jerusalem is its ancient capital. My people were sying to protect it before you had an English Language.
Arabs wish to build, aside from Jordan, Gaza, and the so called "West Bank" they are not really in any position to demand more. AS long as a single Jew canot step foot in al Hejaz, I do not feel a single thing for an Arab denied anything in East Jerusalem, aland they came to to as conquerors and usurpers.
Plenty of open land in the "WB" and they will soon be able to build house upon house there.
Spion: "They treat Arabs in E. Jerusalem as immigrants!": Guess what? They ARE. Arabs came atop their camels , speeding in from the Syrian desert with violence and nothing more. They did not come to farm, to share inn any culture, they came to CONQUER. Guess what? Jews no longer must cower in alleyways being sliced to bits. Today we are strong enough to defend what is ours and we will. IF they choose to live peacefully, they will be welcomed as a minority, if they come other than in peace they will be mowed down as they should have been all those years ago.
From 48 to 67 not a single Jew could enter E. Jerusalem and I have to add, E. Jerusalem, the part you dream is Arab, is where HaKotel stands so so much for all that fantasy of Arab land.
IF they want to engage in fantasy about hoprses with wings flying from the Temple Mount, waste theior time, but if it gets in the way of the Jewish State...You can guess the rest.
Spionm: It was standing still only because it had got caught up on autos it was crushing after purposely raising and lowering its bucket to kill occupants of those autos so your point is non-sensical. As for the model of the Dozer, D9s do not only come ultra armoured for military use, they also come in stock models for road work but ,maybe you did not notice that on your "trip to the region."
Spion
I hear ya
A D9 has tracks not wheels, so it was quite clearly not a D9. You can't get even the most basic facts right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_D9
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