Building v buying hifi speakers

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by moody, May 31, 2019.

  1. pesh

    pesh Well-Known Member

    One of the problems of using Hi-Fi speakers for parties is that while a lot of them can go fucking loud they're not designed to do it for hours on end so even if you're not clipping them they can still get fried.
     
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  2. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

    any example of hifi speakers that are fairly loud and good sound detail?

    damage to the speakers as a few people have mentioned here isn't really a concern as the set-up would be behind a bar, or out of reach
     
  3. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    Thing is, a hi-fi speaker's primary purpose is not to be really loud, or portable, or robust or to deliver high volumes for long periods. That's what a PA is for!
     
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  4. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

    humour me,

    and use would be more for "listening sessions" rather than parties
     
  5. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    Just buy a proper pair of PA cabs ffs
     
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  6. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I recommend you get some 'hifi' speakers, and come back to this thread for some PA speaker advice once you find they are not right for the job.
     
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  7. editor

    editor Walking along the lonely street of dreams

    I really can't. I once had a huge pair of floor standing Mission speakers that we tried to use for parties at my old flat, and I never felt too comfortable with them they were being pushed.
     
  8. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

    my idea is to play amazing records on an amazing system to people in small venues (50 people), people that are sitting down and are there to appreciate the quality of the music and equipment used to reproduce the recordings.

    not djs playing dance music through an average system which you can find this sort of gig anywhere
     
  9. spitfire

    spitfire Toast

    These people do that. I think they spent a lot of money on it though.

    About | SPIRITLAND

    They started out doing one offs but now seem to have a mini empire. A couple of friends of mine have been and they say it sounds fucking amazing.
     
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  10. spitfire

    spitfire Toast

    I think I've found out how they funded it...

    Shop | SPIRITLAND

    [​IMG]


    £40! :eek:

    A slip mat is 18 fucking pounds! But it's made of cork so that's ok.
     
  11. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

    bet they didn't get people telling them to buy a pa instead
     
  12. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Big old tannoys
     
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  13. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    A friend has some that were installed at the white hart in new cross and now at earth in hackney, they can rock a fairly big space and sound awesom plus you can drive them with 100w amps
     
  14. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

  15. pesh

    pesh Well-Known Member

    I bet they spent more than £900 to be fair :D
     
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  16. moody

    moody Being alive increases risk of death.

    for sure, probably 900 quid just on cables.

    but you get the idea
     
  17. pesh

    pesh Well-Known Member

    Yeah totally, and I do like the idea... Very David Mancuso... And for £900 you will get a very nice pair of secondhand speakers, as long as you don't rag the arse out of them they will probably be OK but I do think they'll bite the big one in the long run... I love this tune, turn it up a bit... Pop.

    Maybe try to get to a specialist vintage audio shop like Audio Gold to see what they have and what you like the sound of...

    One of main things to be wary of with this sort of thing is ferro-fluid cooled tweeters, the fluid dries up over time, and stops the cooling process working so when you crank them up they can burn out...
     
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  18. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    You said you'll be putting the speakers behind a bar, they should be in the £700-900 range and it sounds like they need to be portable.

    The kinds of things featured in those articles fail on all three of those criteria.

    You also say you are thinking of audiences of 50 people... what is normally considered as 'hifi' is designed to sound good within an area of a sofa or perhaps one part of a living room. You can't fit 50 people into that area.
     
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  19. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    This?

    System165b @ The White Hart, New Cross

    I've got nothing against speaker stacks but you're not going to get 'hi-fi' out of that.
     
  20. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    If you haven’t got the budget to get a pair of QSC’s then you really don’t have the budget to do a hifi setup.

    A pair of decent large format hifi speakers capable of covering an audience of 50 people in a reasonably even manner will cost thousands.
     
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  21. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Why not? They are extremely good studio monitors driven by hi-do amps, nothing like PA stacks
     
  22. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    I’ve seen those tannoys for about a grand - not much over the op’s originally stated budget
     
  23. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    A brief look at that site suggests whoever runs it has zero clue about how speakers work. Old point source studio monitors stacked in a big pile does not a good PA system make. Hipster nonsense.
     
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  24. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

  25. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Sounded pretty good to me - it’s not for everyone and doesn’t sound as crisp and tight as a good PA but sound can be quite subjective can’t it - it had other qualities that some prefer to the detail and transient response which can sound quite clinical - it suits some styles of music better - reggae systems are generally not that good in a purely objective sense but fit the music perfectly
     
  26. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    More like £250,000 :eek:
     
  27. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Because there is a big stack of them - from any point in the room the path from each speaker to the ear will be slightly different, meaning that the sound arrives at a slightly different time and you lose all the crispness that those kinds of speakers were designed to provide. Studio monitors are also generally quite directional meaning that you lose sound quality as you move away from a position directly in line with them.

    I appreciate a good sound system - but it needs to be designed for the job. If you look at the best 'club' sound systems (and the best ones are much much better than a standard pair of PA cabinets) they look nothing like this.

    Reggae stacks do a different job again; they are designed to optimise different stuff.
     
  28. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Nah, small venues often have 2 stacks of speakers with no delays and I'm pretty sure these big old monitors are not directional in the way nearfields are
     
  29. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    We're not talking about the 'best' club sound systems anyway we're talking about Hi-fi speakers vs active PA's on sticks in a small space
     
  30. Poi E

    Poi E shameless

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