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Building v buying hifi speakers

pesh

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One of the problems of using Hi-Fi speakers for parties is that while a lot of them can go fucking loud they're not designed to do it for hours on end so even if you're not clipping them they can still get fried.
 

moody

Being alive increases risk of death.
any example of hifi speakers that are fairly loud and good sound detail?

damage to the speakers as a few people have mentioned here isn't really a concern as the set-up would be behind a bar, or out of reach
 

moody

Being alive increases risk of death.
humour me,

and use would be more for "listening sessions" rather than parties
 

editor

hiraethified
humour me,

and use would be more for "listening sessions" rather than parties
I really can't. I once had a huge pair of floor standing Mission speakers that we tried to use for parties at my old flat, and I never felt too comfortable with them they were being pushed.
 

moody

Being alive increases risk of death.
my idea is to play amazing records on an amazing system to people in small venues (50 people), people that are sitting down and are there to appreciate the quality of the music and equipment used to reproduce the recordings.

not djs playing dance music through an average system which you can find this sort of gig anywhere
 

spitfire

Toast
These people do that. I think they spent a lot of money on it though.

About | SPIRITLAND

They started out doing one offs but now seem to have a mini empire. A couple of friends of mine have been and they say it sounds fucking amazing.
 

moody

Being alive increases risk of death.
These people do that. I think they spent a lot of money on it though.

About | SPIRITLAND

They started out doing one offs but now seem to have a mini empire. A couple of friends of mine have been and they say it sounds fucking amazing.
bet they didn't get people telling them to buy a pa instead
 

lefteri

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A friend has some that were installed at the white hart in new cross and now at earth in hackney, they can rock a fairly big space and sound awesom plus you can drive them with 100w amps
 

pesh

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for sure, probably 900 quid just on cables.

but you get the idea
Yeah totally, and I do like the idea... Very David Mancuso... And for £900 you will get a very nice pair of secondhand speakers, as long as you don't rag the arse out of them they will probably be OK but I do think they'll bite the big one in the long run... I love this tune, turn it up a bit... Pop.

Maybe try to get to a specialist vintage audio shop like Audio Gold to see what they have and what you like the sound of...

One of main things to be wary of with this sort of thing is ferro-fluid cooled tweeters, the fluid dries up over time, and stops the cooling process working so when you crank them up they can burn out...
 
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teuchter

je suis teuchter
good article here about high end hifi used for public performance, spiritland is mentioned

Sonic boom: why clubs are cranking up the quality instead of the volume
You said you'll be putting the speakers behind a bar, they should be in the £700-900 range and it sounds like they need to be portable.

The kinds of things featured in those articles fail on all three of those criteria.

You also say you are thinking of audiences of 50 people... what is normally considered as 'hifi' is designed to sound good within an area of a sofa or perhaps one part of a living room. You can't fit 50 people into that area.
 

beesonthewhatnow

going deaf for a living
If you haven’t got the budget to get a pair of QSC’s then you really don’t have the budget to do a hifi setup.

A pair of decent large format hifi speakers capable of covering an audience of 50 people in a reasonably even manner will cost thousands.
 

lefteri

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If you haven’t got the budget to get a pair of QSC’s then you really don’t have the budget to do a hifi setup.

A pair of decent large format hifi speakers capable of covering an audience of 50 people in a reasonably even manner will cost thousands.
I’ve seen those tannoys for about a grand - not much over the op’s originally stated budget
 

beesonthewhatnow

going deaf for a living
I’ve seen those tannoys for about a grand - not much over the op’s originally stated budget
A brief look at that site suggests whoever runs it has zero clue about how speakers work. Old point source studio monitors stacked in a big pile does not a good PA system make. Hipster nonsense.
 

lefteri

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A brief look at that site suggests whoever runs it has zero clue about how speakers work. Old point source studio monitors stacked in a big pile does not a good PA system make. Hipster nonsense.
Sounded pretty good to me - it’s not for everyone and doesn’t sound as crisp and tight as a good PA but sound can be quite subjective can’t it - it had other qualities that some prefer to the detail and transient response which can sound quite clinical - it suits some styles of music better - reggae systems are generally not that good in a purely objective sense but fit the music perfectly
 

teuchter

je suis teuchter
Why not? They are extremely good studio monitors driven by hi-do amps, nothing like PA stacks
Because there is a big stack of them - from any point in the room the path from each speaker to the ear will be slightly different, meaning that the sound arrives at a slightly different time and you lose all the crispness that those kinds of speakers were designed to provide. Studio monitors are also generally quite directional meaning that you lose sound quality as you move away from a position directly in line with them.

I appreciate a good sound system - but it needs to be designed for the job. If you look at the best 'club' sound systems (and the best ones are much much better than a standard pair of PA cabinets) they look nothing like this.

Reggae stacks do a different job again; they are designed to optimise different stuff.
 

lefteri

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Because there is a big stack of them - from any point in the room the path from each speaker to the ear will be slightly different, meaning that the sound arrives at a slightly different time and you lose all the crispness that those kinds of speakers were designed to provide. Studio monitors are also generally quite directional meaning that you lose sound quality as you move away from a position directly in line with them.

I appreciate a good sound system - but it needs to be designed for the job. If you look at the best 'club' sound systems (and the best ones are much much better than a standard pair of PA cabinets) they look nothing like this.

Reggae stacks do a different job again; they are designed to optimise different stuff.
Nah, small venues often have 2 stacks of speakers with no delays and I'm pretty sure these big old monitors are not directional in the way nearfields are
 

lefteri

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We're not talking about the 'best' club sound systems anyway we're talking about Hi-fi speakers vs active PA's on sticks in a small space
 
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