Building an effective United Nations

[mauvais]

Christ's fat fucking cock.

A war going on, the state sanctioned murder of hundreds of children, supported by the West in a bid for a "new Middle East", for a purpose unknown and illogical...

...and you're harping on about imaginary bumsex?

It beggars belief. No exaggeration - I really am astonished.

 

[Azrael23]

But mock ritual sacrifices by the elite of US society to a sketchy looking 40ft stone owl named after a canaanite deity of child sacrifice..... is fine.

I like to talk about many things. If you can`t see the link between American high society essentially loving death cult wierdness and the ramifications of their policy, fair enough. Haven`t you ever wondered why they do not empathise with their victims? So much so that as soon as one group lies dead and dying, its "right...onto the next ones"...

So when a journalist risks life and limb to film them sacrificing their consciences to a stone owl god....YOU SHOULD PAY SOME ATTENTION.

 

[mauvais]

Yeah. Right now, that's about as important, ooh I don't know, me having a nice big shit. Stop the press, you idiot.

 

[Azrael23]

But it is important you fool.

Have you heard the expression "know thine enemy?"

 

[mauvais]

Presumably you'll be calling for the big stone owls to take up an immediate ceasefire to stop the civilian deaths as a matter of urgency, then?

Infinitely

 

[Azrael23]

Well what the fuck are you planning to do about it?

Don`t lecture me, people who oppose the insanity we see manifested should stick together rather than arguing with eachother. I`m telling you something, I`m not saying Bohemian Grove is where the lizards run the world or some bullocks like that. I`m telling you the mindset of these people, I`m telling why to solve anything WE must do it, rather than just watching and discussing.

I`m out in the world talking to people and trying to wake people up a bit, i`m doing my bit so save your pathetic generalisations and smarmy sarcasm for someone who gives a shit.

Meanwhile look at this. You may want to fast forward to about 3/5 of the way through.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983&q=dark+secrets

You cannot deny what they are doing, It was perhaps easier for me to comprehend seeing as i`m already pretty into metaphysics, mysticism, the occult whatever.... But I don`t see the big fucking problem in realising just how screwed up our world is. There is goodness far more powerful than this collection of freaks.

 

[TeeJay]

Azreal you are a fucking disgrace to u75. Welcome to my ignore list shit-for-brains.

x 1,000,000

 

[Azrael23]

So do you deny what they do there?

I know its a leap away from the Middle East but read the thread, I`m the one whose constantly quizzed and attacked. I`m responding to peoples points.

 

[bluestreak]

but what does it mean really? does it really matter if they conduct mock sacrifices? does it really matter if they believe in moloch? most of us here couldn't give a good god damn what they believe in, as long as they behave, and it;s the behaviour that we loathe. we don't need to concentrate on the crazy shit as long as theres real shit out there.... bilderberg is more worrying because they all get together to decide how to run the countries, we lose democracy to a ruling elite bunch of mateys. the frat house rituals and pseudo-masonic bullshit is just filler.

 

[TeeJay]

What the fuck has all this got to do with the United Nations?

I don't think people should respond to this loonspud shit, it totally wrecks and derails any threads it touches and in realty it really is a complete non-issue.

 

[Roadkill]

I don't think people should respond to this loonspud shit, it totally wrecks and derails any threads it touches and in realty it really is a complete non-issue.

I think it's hilarious.

Why I tried to respond seriously to it yesterday I've no idea though.

 

[Cadmus]

countries are given votes proportionate to their population. No vetos.

1 country 1 vote. No veto.

Both are impossible due to the nature of the organisation. Tho its name is "United Nations" it needs to represent two different carriers of sovereignty: peoples and governments. In national systems, sovereignty rests with the people. In international systems of governance, it's divided between peoples (General Assembly in the UN) and governments (Security Council). Any reform would have to take this into consideration.

I'd introduce QMV for the Security Council and drastically increase its number of members and give the GA political control over it so SC is responsible to the GA.

 

[purves grundy]

Goeorge monibots idea for an elcted world parliment was a better plan than anything else i've seen.

Good book that, with some execellent ideas. Unfortunately, seeing as how the public are hardly pressing for change as Monbiot optimistically thinks they will, it all depends on certain countries giving up their privileges. How likely is that?

Maybe Blair's gonna take the lead on this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5020358.stm

 

[TeeJay]

...In national systems, sovereignty rests with the people. In international systems of governance, it's divided between peoples (General Assembly in the UN) and governments (Security Council). Any reform would have to take this into consideration...

The General Assembly is just "governments" as well - many of which are not even democractically elected governments at that.

 

[Azrael23]

Oooh will blair do this.... Will condy say that....

Now those are real non-issues.

"everything that happens in politics, happens because it was planned that way" Woodrow Wilson.

 

[Cadmus]

The General Assembly is just "governments" as well - many of which are not even democractically elected governments at that.

Of course it's also governmental in nature, but the representative mandate of the GA as such, the voting rules and authority in the UN make the GA the other sovereignty carrier on the international plane. I'm not arguing that the GA isn't also in need of reform, but to me the SC seems far more problematic in terms of its efficiency, political manipulation, poor record of fulfilling its mandate (international peace and security), etc.

 

[slaar]

No veto to start with.

Each nation state to be considered as having an equal voice, regardless of population size.

No political leaders representing the nations. Get the top judge or somebody else, but no politicians.

But then Burma gets the same vote as, say, Canada. Not sure about that one.

 

[Azrael23]

You`d need to start from the bottom up if you wanted a global parliament.

Although why anyone would want a global government is beyond me, your supposed to restrict the size and scope of governments, not go running to bigger and bigger systems of power to tell us how to live our lives. We`re not children for christ sake. You should want independence.

 

[atitlan]

Although why anyone would want a global government is beyond me, your supposed to restrict the size and scope of governments, not go running to bigger and bigger systems of power to tell us how to live our lives. We`re not children for christ sake. You should want independence.

I don't think anyone particularly wants a big authoritarian world govenment, but many recognise that some issues need to resolved at a global level and so something like a world government or the UN is required and needs to have both the credibility and power to enforce its decisions.

Scope and accountability are key.

 

[atitlan]

But then Burma gets the same vote as, say, Canada. Not sure about that one.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as the structures and processes of the organisation channel countries' self interest in the right direction.

 

[Azrael23]

I don't think anyone particularly wants a big authoritarian world govenment, but many recognise that some issues need to resolved at a global level and so something like a world government or the UN is required and needs to have both the credibility and power to enforce its decisions.

Scope and accountability are key.

The UN has 0 accountability.

My friends dad is a senior member of the UN, he deals in refugee crisis formerly in the Ukraine. He was moved to Geneva for being too vocal on money going missing, obscure objectives and the general air of criminality inherent in his superiors actions.
I`ve yet to have a proper chat with him because he`s in switzerland but its nice to have "contacts" lol

 

[ZAMB]

People have mentioned 'one country; one vote' which although it offers equality would perhaps give too much say to tiny nations. Voting rights based on population has a twofold problem - first it would confer enormous power to China and India, and secondly it may create a population race in order to secure greater power at the UN - not what an overpopulated planet needs!

Also, perhaps the smaller nations need an equal vote as they are the ones most likely to be preyed upon or dominated by the larger ones?

 

[Matt S]

To be honest I think the UN is unreformable. Great powers are always going to be self-interested, and no structure is ever going to lead to nation states working towards global justice. Pretty depressing I know, but definitely the conclusion I have come to. Other Greens are always trying to persuade me otherwise, but I see little evidence for the potential of UN success, if I'm honest....

Matt

 

[Cadmus]

It's nothing new, (on some levels) similar projects like the League of Nations have also failed.

I think that it's always too much gum, not enough teeth. And lack of control and accountability.

 

[tim]

As you can see Coffeecup as of August the first 2006 the thread has gone pretty conspiraloon, but you are the one who could put it back on course.

Clearly there is some flexibility in the Permanent Membership of the Security Council, as back in 1971 an Albanian-British pincer movement led to the Republic of China being kicked off the Security Council and indeed out of the United Nations, to be replaced by the People's Republic of China; and, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia managed to come stay on and retain the veto. Bearing the latter in mind it would be interesting to know if England could remain on the Council were the Six Counties, Wales, Scotland, and Cornwall to secede from the United Kingdom, or maybe, as it would have the Nuclear Submarines, Scotland could take on the mantle.

Your challenge, Coffeecup, if you chose to accept it, is to find out if the vetos can be vetoed and other ways in which the absurd behemoth could be changed for the better. The challenge is of course open to all including those who self identify as other members of a tea set.

 

[mango5]

Wow thread necromancy, such optimism amongst the trolls.
Thank fuck we didn't have AI slop to bore each other with!

 

[platinumsage]

Why is changing the security council going to help the UN be better? Surely every time a veto is used it leads to inaction, and the less the genocide-enabling UN acts the better. Countries can simply agree to do all the things they talk about at the UN, without any need for the UN at all. It serves no purpose and actively facilitates bad stuff.

 

[mango5]

I went to a talk by this woman recently. I think it took three years to recruit to the post, which has existed for 60+ years

Aarti Maini Director | United Nations Secretary-General

United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres announced on 26 June 2023 the appointment of Aarti Holla-Maini of the United Kingdom as Director of the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) in Vienna.

www.un.org

 

[PTK]

I went to a talk by this woman recently. I think it took three years to recruit to the post, which has existed for 60+ years

Aarti Maini Director | United Nations Secretary-General

United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres announced on 26 June 2023 the appointment of Aarti Holla-Maini of the United Kingdom as Director of the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) in Vienna.

www.un.org

People who work at the United Nation should not be having affairs in outer space. That is simply inacceptable.

 

[PTK]

We had the First World War, and from that arose the League of Nations.
The United Nations Organisation arose from the ruins of the Second World War.
We need a new UN; therefore we need a new world war.