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Bruce Springsteen...

are you levelling that suggestion at any one here? :hmm:
Probably me. It's well-known that I actually like his music, but have just taken it on myself to pretend not to like him because of his neck muscles and the way the veins on his temples stand out when he sings.
 
Bruce was absolutely cracking up til, and including, Born In The USA. I reckon everyone would still rate BitU as a cracker if it weren't for the fact that Reagan tried to appropriate the title song for himself during his 84 re-election campaign. the fact that he obviously hadn't bothered listening to the track, or realising it was deeply anti-everything he stood for, was rather lost on him. And plenty of other dumber americans (and others) who only ever heard the title.

I didn't know that about Reagan. I just remember at the time when I "admitted" to being a Bruce fan I got sick of people going "yuck, Born in the USA, going on about how great America is, what a moron"!

My Hometown, Downbound Train, Working on the Highway, not to mention I'm On Fire would all ensure the album took its place in the pantheon of greatness, were it not for Ronnie.

Downbound train is great. I was gazing at Born in the USA in HMV yesterday and wondering if I could afford to spend £5... I still think the LP suffers from the booming riffing synths though on some songs. Would have been better with them turned down/off and replaced by guitars. Sadly Bruce has never asked me for production advice :mad:
 
rThe Cramps were theatrical and they were great, it's just a different kind of theatrical from Springsteen, which I found sweaty and workmanlike but lacking style or excitement. Just a lot of grunting
Where did you see him play?
 
Downbound train is great. I was gazing at Born in the USA in HMV yesterday and wondering if I could afford to spend £5... I still think the LP suffers from the booming riffing synths though on some songs. Would have been better with them turned down/off and replaced by guitars. Sadly Bruce has never asked me for production advice :mad:

off the top of me head, aren't the synths only on Dancing in the Dark? (e2a: no, are they fuck)

I agree it could do without them,. Still a cracking song tho.
 
quite like some old Bruce,
The River, Nebraska and bits of BitUSA

it really annoyed me that Bruce would always pick a girl
out of the audience to dance when playing "Dancing in the dark" ,
as seen in the video. all a bit stomach-churning 80's showbiz emotion...

oh well, he's pretty good and "born in the usa" still gets shoved
on at guilt free vinyl sessions round my way
 
Where did you see him play?

Numerous TV concerts, especially that "classic" they were always wheeling out on BBC2 from the E Street Band at their "peak" - so feel free to explain you can't possibly "get it" if you weren't there
 
off the top of me head, aren't the synths only on Dancing in the Dark? (e2a: no, are they fuck)

I agree it could do without them,. Still a cracking song tho.

"no are they fuck" :D

Off the top of my head as well, but quite a few of the songs have synth "riffs". Doesn't the title track have a big fuck off DAH, DAH, DAH, DAH, DAH, DAAAH riff?!

Random five good Bruce tracks

Stolen Car
Rosalita
The Promised Land
Thunder Road
Born to Run

Only saw him live once -- Wembley Stadium on the Born in the USA tour -- so probably a bad time and bad place, but it was excellent. I remember the songs from Darkness on the Edge of Town being great.
 
yeah, title track, Cover Me, and probly a few others all do. Well naff.

I saw him at Leeds on the same tour, my first stadium show, and it was absolutely superb. Probly the best of the three shows I've seen him do
 
I like it. A Springsteen thread that isn't just a succession of people saying how much they don't like him. I think it's an urban first.

Makes me want to get hold of some more... :)
 
TV concerts are TV concerts, not real. Who'd say they saw Nirvana just cos they got a video of them on 'Unplugged'?

I never saw Otis Redding at Monterey, but I feel qualified to say it looked fucking amazing based on the footage I've seen.

of course, it's not the same as the live experience but I still think you can make a reasonably educated guess about whether you'd have enjoyed it or not.
 
I never saw Otis Redding at Monterey, but I feel qualified to say it looked fucking amazing based on the footage I've seen.

damn, so close. I had a bet with meself you were gonna say Hendrix. Not far off.

Anyone you didn't like beforehand whose stage show looked impressive on TV? i honestly can't think of one

Also, pretty much all the Bruce 'shows' I've seen on TV - including the 'classic' one - are actually studio gigs, not proper live ones. Which tend to be rather different.
 
I like "the river".

yeah - I like that one. One of those sort of things he's supposed to do well that's actually good

Nah, Tom Petty. He just never really made it over here though.

I hate Tom Petty. I don't know why, I just think he's shit. I was really pleased when he broke his hand and couldn't play - Am I a bad person for that?


damn, so close. I had a bet with meself you were gonna say Hendrix. Not far off.

Anyone you didn't like beforehand whose stage show looked impressive on TV? i honestly can't think of one

Also, pretty much all the Bruce 'shows' I've seen on TV - including the 'classic' one - are actually studio gigs, not proper live ones. Which tend to be rather different.

So. your argument is the best recreation our recording tecnology has to offer of what an event was like is no help in making a value judgement on it at all?

...yeah but you had to be there when they were actually mixing the record to really get it man...
 
Numerous TV concerts, especially that "classic" they were always wheeling out on BBC2 from the E Street Band at their "peak" - so feel free to explain you can't possibly "get it" if you weren't there
You're surely not arguing that watching a gig on TV adds up to anything like the real thing are you?

Most live performances look shit on TV, that's why I rarely bother to watch them - even when it's bands I really like. If I judged bands on their TV appearances alone, there'd be a lot less CDs in my collection.

(* a rare exception would be Radiohead's performance at Glastonbury in the 90s which is one of the very few live gigs I could bare to watch through on TV. If it was that good on tele, it must have been awesome live).
 
So. your argument is the best recreation our recording tecnology has to offer of what an event was like is no help in making a value judgement on it at all?

...yeah but you had to be there when they were actually mixing the record to really get it man...

don't be daft. The argument is that a TV experience is a very very different one from the live one. It might be the 'best recreation' possible, but that doesn't mean it is particularly good (or bad, or anything else). It's different.

Your attempt at an analogy with the recording process is just silly.
 
of course, it's not the same as the live experience but I still think you can make a reasonably educated guess about whether you'd have enjoyed it or not.

You've used the same argument against people that weren't at Glastonbury but thought it looked shit from the TV coverage. You can't have it both ways.
 
Hurrah! I WIN an argument on the Internet!

Don't I get a badge or something?

It's a bit of an anticlimax tbf. :(
 
Hurrah! I WIN an argument on the Internet!

Don't I get a badge or something?

It's a bit of an anticlimax tbf. :(

i just couldn't be arsed, really. I could ask you to cite specific examples and then debate them. Or point out that Glastonbury is a different proposition than a stadium and the atmosphere much harder to get through the TV. Stuff like that. I would have won in the end too. But you have a fairly empty life and it's good to throw the odd crumbs from one's table from time to time :)

:p
 
don't be daft. The argument is that a TV experience is a very very different one from the live one. It might be the 'best recreation' possible, but that doesn't mean it is particularly good (or bad, or anything else). It's different.

Your attempt at an analogy with the recording process is just silly.

Indeed it is a different thing. It does not invalidate the opinion that people don't like Springsteen based on the countless hours of footage available to review THAT would be silly.

the analogy was made in order to demonstrate the ridiculousness of your position :)
 
Hurrah! I WIN an argument on the Internet!

Don't I get a badge or something?

It's a bit of an anticlimax tbf. :(

Yes you get a prize. I still have the Iglu & Hartley CD that no-one wanted on the recycle thread. The jewel case has nice rounded corners and it makes a good coaster.

On second thoughts I should send it to El Jefe for losing
 
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