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Brown or Cameron?

Who would you choose?

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In Bloom said:
Brown is at least marginally more bearable, since he isn't quite as slimey, but that's not quite enough reason for me to waste the half an hour in the polling station I could otherwise spend doing something fun.
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Yes like your shit analogy :-)

I expect Brown to get elected but it will be because he is the devil you know while Cameron has no clothes (no policies) and is the untested one, apart from having absoluetly no qualifications for the job of national leader at all.

I would rather vote for a former General or Captain of Industry, at least they have some experience in roles that do significantly affect people's lives.

Cameron is simply not qualified to lead a nation with a massive public sector and nuclear weapons, why would Brown be, well also I am unsure, he has basically been an accountant for a few years and managed by luck or judgement not to have totally screwed it up.

I cannot see either of them solving the terrorist dilemma, which is actually quite simple to solve, or bringing peace to the middle east, and as for messing with my life, I can look after that thanks less meddling from either of them is what I would welcome.

Government, are we sure it exists or even matters at all?

I bet what actually occurs in westminster is nothing more than a dramatic debate (as in drama production) set up as a tourist attraction where we can go and throw powder at the incumbents because they have irritated us and continue to do.

Yes for sure someone lives in 10 downing street, someone exists in almost every building on the island, that does not mean they are in charge of diddly squat.
 
Decisions, decisions - yet always a poisoned chalice offered - I feel a headache coming on - pass a couple of dozen paracetamol and a schooner of sherry somebody.
 
tbaldwin said:
Er did you not notice...The huge increase in public spending on health and education,the minimum wage,ema,sure start.....
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Did you notice the love of the free market and the deals with big businessc (Lord Sainsbury et al). How about cash for peerages?

Soending on health? So how come so many hosptials are faced with closure or can't "balance their books"? The NHS is not there to make a profit but that's what it is being told to do. Didn't think about that - did you?

Same auld, same auld.
 
Azrael said:
Matriculation standards are being watered down so children from the sink-comps can burden themselves with thousands of pounds of debt for a degree they neither want nor truly need. Labour attacks an inherently elite institution for elitism! Brain-dead egalitarianism is destroying any hope of genuine meritocracy.

On the edge of one. My area is fast becoming a pikey-infested fleapit, and I've posted many times that it's the poor and vulnerable who suffer most at foolish crime policies that seek to understand and coddle the wrongdoer instead of punish him and deter others with certain, harsh and exemplary punishment.

My man Whitelaw? What's that supposed to mean? From what little I know of Viscount Whitelaw I get the distinct impression he embodies much of what I despise. Internment of any type is immoral, stupid, and goes against everything I believe in.

That'll be the phrase I've never actually used on here.

The discredited socialist dogma that poverty causes crime, blown apart by a cursory look at the evidence (100 years ago, when poverty of a sort we can barely comprehend was widespread, crime figures were a fraction of today's). It's used to imply that criminals aren't really responsible for their actions and you can get rid of crime by improving material comfort. It also has a distinctly authoritarian undertone: if money is all that keeps us on the right side of the law, we're all potential criminals, so we must all loose our rights.
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Your post aptly demonstrates a complete and total disconnect from reality. You wouldn't recognise socialism if it came up and smacked you in the face.

It seems to me that all you have ever known is Thatcher and Nu Labour (you admitted this when you claimed not to know much about Whitelaw, whom you called "Viscount").

Your view of universities is a little...well, wide of the mark as this demonstrates

children from the sink-comps can burden themselves with thousands of pounds of debt for a degree they neither want nor truly need.
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Oh really? From what I've read fewer w/c kids are going to university because they can't afford it. How do you know what people want? If people want a degree, why shouldn't they get one? Do you have a degree or are you one of those anti-intellectual types who rails against education because you can?

You're a cheap red-baiter.
 
nino_savatte said:
Did you notice the love of the free market and the deals with big businessc (Lord Sainsbury et al). How about cash for peerages?

Soending on health? So how come so many hosptials are faced with closure or can't "balance their books"? The NHS is not there to make a profit but that's what it is being told to do. Didn't think about that - did you?

Same auld, same auld.
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For years Middle Class lefties said they "wanted a govt that spent more on health and education and bought in a minimum wage etc" They got it.....

And guess what they didnt want one really.....They would have been just as happy with a Tory govt spending much less on health and education with no minimum wage....

All people like you want nino is to pretend your so much cleverer and caring than people in power etc....Somehow i doubt that.
 
nino_savatte said:
Oh really? From what I've read fewer w/c kids are going to university because they can't afford it. How do you know what people want? .
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So there are less Working class kids now in Universities than when exactly?
I thought that there had been a huge increase in numbers attending universities since grants were abolished.
 
tbaldwin said:
For years Middle Class lefties said they "wanted a govt that spent more on health and education and bought in a minimum wage etc" They got it.....

And guess what they didnt want one really.....They would have been just as happy with a Tory govt spending much less on health and education with no minimum wage....

All people like you want nino is to pretend your so much cleverer and caring than people in power etc....Somehow i doubt that.
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Fuck, he's off again! You're a tiresome auld windbag, Baudouin.

Your backhanded 'clever' compliment in relation to me is rather revealing too. Can I help it if you're as thick as pigshit? No. Can I help that because you're as thick as pigshit that you lack the intelligence, or the will to succeed in education?

You're no better than Pol Pot with your anti-intellectualist/anti-education stances. Or is it all a pose?

Go back to your copy of The Beano, friend. There's nothing for you here.
 
tbaldwin said:
So there are less Working class kids now in Universities than when exactly?
I thought that there had been a huge increase in numbers attending universities since grants were abolished.
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You don't pay much attention to the news - do you?

Oh and why did you give "working" a capital "W"?
 
tbaldwin said:
For years Middle Class lefties said they "wanted a govt that spent more on health and education and bought in a minimum wage etc" They got it.....

And guess what they didnt want one really.....They would have been just as happy with a Tory govt spending much less on health and education with no minimum wage....

All people like you want nino is to pretend your so much cleverer and caring than people in power etc....Somehow i doubt that.
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Not a "middle-class" leftie, but what I wanted was money spent on the NHS - but NOT simply spent on complicating it's beaurocracy. I also wanted a minimum wage that people could actually live on. Guess I'm just a damn ungrateful prole...
 
You really do have some funny moments.
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No less funnier than yours. So what is your problem with universities? You're deeply resentful of them which tells me that you've had some sort of terrible educational experience...either that or you're an inverted snob. That's it, isn't it? You're an inverted snob and a troll.
 
nino_savatte said:
I answered your "question", pal. Or are you that fucking thick? Of course you are.
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So less working class kids since when?????? Or did you read it in the Mail or Guardian when they were trying to whip up the Middle Classes about "How dreadful this govt has been"
 
tbaldwin said:
So less working class kids since when?????? Or did you read it in the Mail or Guardian when they were trying to whip up the Middle Classes about "How dreadful this govt has been"
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Is this the best you can do? I feel sorry for you.
 
nino_savatte said:
tbaldwin said:
No less funnier than yours. So what is your problem with universities? You're deeply resentful of them which tells me that you've had some sort of terrible educational experience...either that or you're an inverted snob. That's it, isn't it? You're an inverted snob and a troll.
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Deeply resentful....What a twat you are.....I just argue against giving more money to privelleged people like H/E students...
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poster342002 said:
Not a "middle-class" leftie, but what I wanted was money spent on the NHS - but NOT simply spent on complicating it's beaurocracy. I also wanted a minimum wage that people could actually live on. Guess I'm just a damn ungrateful prole...
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Poster despite the propaganda there has been a huge increase in helath spending and only a small proportion has gone on PFI etc...The minimum wage would never have happened without New Labour the Tories and CBI warned it would be a disaster for the UK...In the USA the minimum wage is less than 25% of the UKs.
 
You're not who you claim to be - are you, balders? This is all just another silly but rather sad, online persona. I pity anyone who has to get their kicks in this way.
 
nino_savatte said:
You're not who you claim to be - are you, balders? This is all just another silly but rather sad, online persona. I pity anyone who has to get their kicks in this way.
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Who i claim to be????

What are you on about now miss marple?
 
tbaldwin said:
Who i claim to be????

What are you on about now miss marple?
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You tell me, baldo.

It's all about cheap thrills - non? All this crap about higher education....

Sometimes, two words spring to mind when I see you crap on about HE: axe and grind. Then sometimes I think it's all just a deliberate wind-up... Then again, who gives a fuck?
 
tbaldwin said:
The minimum wage would never have happened without New Labour the Tories and CBI warned it would be a disaster for the UK...In the USA the minimum wage is less than 25% of the UKs.
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It's STILL not a livable wage. The fact that another country has an even worse one doesn't alter that fact - or, indeed, have any relevance to the debate.
 
nino_savatte said:
LOL!!! And Nu Labour is somehow different to the Tories? :D
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Slightly. It's not just who is leader but what the other MP's and party members are like. And the Tories are generally the bigger cunts - and all call me Dave's 'niceness' is just PR and spin.
 
poster342002 said:
It's STILL not a livable wage. The fact that another country has an even worse one doesn't alter that fact - or, indeed, have any relevance to the debate.
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But it's still an example of the Tories being worse than Nu Labour, isn't it?

See, Nu Labour actually believe in the principle that there should be a minimum threshold for pay that people shouldn't be allowed to fall below, the Tories don't (or at least they didn't). The Tories would have had no problem with someone being paid £2 per hour if the employer could get away with it - Labour would.
 
poster342002 said:
It's STILL not a livable wage. The fact that another country has an even worse one doesn't alter that fact - or, indeed, have any relevance to the debate.
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It depends how you define livable? For the vast majority of the worlds population it is a very good income.
And many low paid workers in the UK have benefited from the minimum wage.
As i said earlier the CBI and Tories were dead against it and New Labour did well to bring it in against their determined opposition.
 
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