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Brown at party conference
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So how is he not going to last the week then? I don't get it?
I see the health scare stories as coming from within the Labour party itself with my logic being as follows.
Labour do not stab thier leaders, at least publicly, in the back. But they also know that with Brown in charge their chances at the next election are zero.
Their chances with anybody else in charge are also pretty poor but it would not be the total wipe out that its going to be and with the pressure on the Conservatives to do something to get rid of the current disparity of power that Scottish MP's have over English affaris then Labour could well find themselves losing a lot of potential power in Westminster over night. Throw in plans to cut the numbers of MP's and suddenly Labour, if they lose big, could be out of power for a long long time (took most of this bit from an article in yesterdays Observer).
There is also the fear of an internal civil war as those from the 'New' and 'Old' sides of the Labour divide go at it hammer and tongs.
Surely the best thing all round would be if Brown has to resign through ill health ? Even his biggest detractors cannot slate him for doing the right thing and stepping down. So it would make sense for those who consider themselves to be doing the best for the Labour Party in the long term to start putting the pressure on with regards to his health. It stinks of Mandleson.
Now I dont see Brown ever resigning. His whole life has been about getting to number 10 and I dont think that he will, after having to put up with Blair in the chair he considered rightfully his for so long, step down. Its just not him.
So we have a very interesting few months.
I think that at the conference he will look to shore up his support from the Unions by way of having them ready to step in and apply pressure should the PLP look to instigate a full blown coup.
But its all good fun and hopefully the last Labour conference with a Prime Minster leading it for generations.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
One might also point out that Major was a far better PM than Blair was (or Brown is), but apart from that the inexperience vs experience argument doesnt really succeed - after all, what matters is what a PM actually does, and the track record of NL (and Brown) has been consistently awful.
skyscraper101
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how so?
How could you forget the Cones Hotline?
And didn't he pave the way for the Radio Times to carry commercial TV listings?
Need I go on?
i would rather have the cones hotline than the destruction of the welfare state and privatisation of everything - i think what the poster was trying to say is Major was a better PM because he didn't actually DO anything whereas every other PM we have had in the last 30 years has relentlessly attacked the workers and poor and sucked up to big business
skyscraper101
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Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Major had consistent public spending throughout his time as P.M, and it actually dropped in 97, 98 and 99 before New Labour went utterly mental after 2001 - the IFS did a study but I can't find the bloody thing, Here's an article by Carl Emmerson about it. Brown relied on Ken Clarke's economic predictions until 99-00 
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Well, he didnt embroil us in two wars that have killed hundreds of British soldiers and hundreds of thousands of other people for a start, nor did he break the economy by throwing billions and billions of pounds at private companies, irrespective of previous performance or their corrupt practices.
He also didnt stage repeated attacks on civil liberties, nor did he pack the Lords with cronies and donors whilst simultaneously encouraging attacks on it as a non-democratic body.
He also liked cricket.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
i just saw Mandleson's speech on the tv. My skin crept off my body and crawled out of the door.
i dread to think!! He makes a peadophile look trustworthy!
No, the deregulation of TV listings came during Thatcher's time, and was the result of a ruling from the European Commission.
What about the CJA? What about selling off public assetts like transport?
Yeah Major wasnt as bad as Thatcher. The Poll tax revolt preety much put paid to the Tories rampant attacks but he was still a Tory.
Compare his record to New Labour who have doubled spending on health and education and increased funding for transport and regeneration of inner cities.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
increased transport funding - where's that gone then supporting mis-managed private rail companies and ensuring stagecoach and firstbus carve up the country's bus network while chucking tonnes of political spunk at the aircraft industry....
And yes, they've put the money in. But that was future earnings money, that we didn't earn - so now we're cutting back
gosub
~#
Re Brown Health story, it is bit of when did you stop beating your wife story
but when I first heard the antidepressant thing, was quite relieved as given the position Brown is in (and the country) it would be both sane and rational for him to be depressed, UK is in a worse state than Norway was under Kjell Magne Bondevik.
As it is, with it being "categorically untrue" HE IS CLEARLY DELUDED, as are the turd polishers who think the public will buy into the Brown 6.7 relaunch
but when I first heard the antidepressant thing, was quite relieved as given the position Brown is in (and the country) it would be both sane and rational for him to be depressed, UK is in a worse state than Norway was under Kjell Magne Bondevik.
As it is, with it being "categorically untrue" HE IS CLEARLY DELUDED, as are the turd polishers who think the public will buy into the Brown 6.7 relaunch
Gynaecoligists model?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Johnson would be a terrible choice for PM & New Labour leader, he has the charisma of a mole and the general public find him numbingly boring.
If NL want to dig their grave, then by all means replace Brown, who has at least a record of having done something, with nobody Johnson and watch their vote totally evaporate.
Ugh! Look, it's a Tory!
Hmm... or maybe an optimistic LibDem?
This is the site of the fellow who first suspected brown was on anti-depressants
www.notbornyesterday.org
www.notbornyesterday.org
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what an appallingly bad website.
Anyone else see kinnock interviewed last night? On newsnight I think. He quoted bloody Gramsci, the cheeky bastard.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I was watching the news yesterday with my other half. As we saw Mandelson's performance, she was moved to say that she wished Kinnock was still leader...I sort of knew what she meant. I quickly changed channels as that sort of nostalgia isn't healthy.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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