Brown apologises to Turing.

[kabbes]

Anyway, I already apologised about Turing over a year ago, Brown can fuck off.

A brilliant encapsulation of why this whole thing is bollocks.

 

[London_Calling]

but I'd venture a guess that the women there would quite like not to live under a Stone Age morality code.

So the answer is to impose a democracy and then impose laws on the democracy?

It'll do them good, right? They just need a little helping hand from their more advanced friends?

 

[Fedayn]

To win back the disaffected middle class liberals. The idea is they'll think "would the Tories do this?". (The answer is, if it wins over the babyboomers, yes).

I don't doubt Cameron would wholly endorse what Brown said.

 

[ovaltina]

I think he's due a posthumous apology. He was forced to undergo chemical castration. This is an important acknowledgement of the wrong done by 'doctors' to Turing and other gay men of his generation.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'd venture a guess that the women there would quite like not to live under a Stone Age morality code.

Next week, Brown is going to apologise for women living under a Stone Age morality code during the Stone Age. He's reeaaallllyyy sorry.

 

[kabbes]

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for Ebeneezer Jones spilling Mrs. Miggins' coffee in Whitechapel in 1856.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'd like to apologise for the Spanish Inquisition. And Black Death.

 

[kabbes]

I'm not accepting your apology for Black Death. Fuck you, frankly. That thing was awful.

 

[scifisam]

I thought it was a well-worded speech and it's not pointless; it's too easy to get complacent about the rights we have now, and forget that, not long ago in this country, even successful, powerful heroes were severely punished for being gay.

As for the timing, it's probably because this year is Stonewall's 50th anniversary.

 

[danny la rouge]

Kabbes: I don't think you understand; I'm reaaallllyyyy sorry.

 

[In Bloom]

eeerrmm, yeah but errm um err....

If some army of aliens or whatever had come along and made the homophobes(etc) stop being so fucking silly, wouldn't people in Turing's position have been cheered up immensely?

Perhaps the Afghans are a little recalcitrant, but I'd venture a guess that the women there would quite like not to live under a Stone Age morality code.


Not to say they are likely to be all smiles about being bombed either mind....

This.

I'm no supporter of war, but the fact is that there are plenty of Afghans who'd be all to happy accept some of that nasty Western imperialist morality if it meant that they no longer had to live in fear of being murdered because of their sexual preferences.

 

[Maggot]

Making bumming a crime was wrong. No ifs or butts about that.

 

[maldwyn]

As for the timing, it's probably because this year is Stonewall's 50th anniversary.

40th anniversary you had me feeling 10 years older there.

 

[danny la rouge]

According to this week's New Scientist, it happened because a scientist started a petition on the Downing Street website.

 

[Nigel]

Was the Apple cyanide suicide thing the reason for apples' logo?

 

[chainsaw cat]

So the answer is to impose a democracy and then impose laws on the democracy?

It'll do them good, right? They just need a little helping hand from their more advanced friends?

Yes, that's about it.


Glad we see eye to eye.

There are some fucking creepy cultural / moral relativists on here, seem to think subjugation by gender is OK for darkies.

Together we can smoke the bastards out, right Comrade?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

almost as good as when the pope apologised about galileo.... in 1992

 

[mrfusion]

I think the point is that he isn't apologising as Gordon Brown from Govan, he's apologising in his role as 'Prime Minister of the United Kingdom', a role which was responsible for what happened to Turing.

 

[shagnasty]

I read a peter tatchell article saying that in jamaica it can carry a sentence of ten years .so we still have a long way to go.alan turing was a briliant mathematician and the work he done still holds true to this day

 

[Sesquipedalian]

I think the point is that he isn't apologising as Gordon Brown from Govan, he's apologising in his role as 'Prime Minister of the United Kingdom', a role which was responsible for what happened to Turing.

Yep,and hear is the ORIGINAL thread ;

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=301809

 

[Azrael]

If Mr Brown feels the need to apologise on behalf of the British state for the old blackmailer's charter, good for him. This stupid and cruel law was wrongheaded from the moment Henry Labouchere tacked it onto a wholly different bill concerned with raising the age of consent.

What's difficult is squaring Mr Brown's remose over Turing's persecution with his total indifference to the rights of the accused. If he's genuine in his sentiments he'll start repealing the nasty laws his and previous governments have passed. If not, his apology is empty tokenism.

 

[danny la rouge]

What's difficult is squaring Mr Brown's remose over Turing's persecution with his total indifference to the rights of the accused. If he's genuine in his sentiments he'll start repealing the nasty laws his and previous governments have passed. If not, his apology is empty tokenism.

You want to give rights to TERROR suspects?

 

[Azrael]

and in equal measure!