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Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. Tropi

    Tropi Well-Known Member

    'Helen Hayes, MP for Dulwich and West Norwood then spoke:
    “The process has not been up to scratch.'

    The process never seem to be 'up to scratch', like with the lost libraries. Do the deal, 'consult' then waffle. I know that the 'consultation' period is still on and sorry for being so pessimistic but do you really think the Lovebox/Field Days big business would be spending money if they were not sure about the application being approved?
     
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  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  3. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Agree with this, but one of the difficulties is that the NHS budget to patch up poor health is disconnected with Lambeth’s budget. There’s no economic incentive for Lambeth to prioritise healthy lifestyles. I wonder if it would be a bit more joined up if the Department of Health funded local parks and gyms.
     
  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I'm hearing an awful lot of people saying that this is a done deal from the council and has been for some time.
     
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  5. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    bump.
    deadline for comments to Lambeth is today
     
  6. shakespearegirl

    shakespearegirl just worked out taglines

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  7. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Are you sure - how do you know that next week is not another extension? We will probably get a letter in a week's time telling us that it was.
     
  8. lordnoise

    lordnoise Well-Known Member

    The two festival groups started consultation with interested parties on November the 20th last year but they only started consultation with local residents via a leaflet delivered on 13th January 2 weeks before the deadline for comments.

    2 weeks might be acceptable notice for a street party road closure or some filming but is not enough time for such a huge 40 day operation in a much used public space.

    Local democracy in action !?!
     
  9. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    who knows. I don't really think they would take account of our little opinions anyway. But lets clog up their in box anyway.
     
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  10. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The reason I brought but up is because the Council keep bringing it up at meetings ( Brixton Rec Users Group). Its Council policy to encourage people to be more active. The Council have sports strategy and something else called Active Lambeth.
     
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  11. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Done. Objected on basis of privatisation of public space as Cllr Rachel said and looks like promised money from income to parks is not going to happen.

    The drugs thing I'm not bothered by. As imo they should be legalized.

    I really dislike fenced off events at the best of times. Hyde Park is the same. It excludes the less well off.
     
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  12. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    Well yes. Lambeth Events have got into bed with Lovebox, who said they will be providing infrastructure and management services for the Country Show.

    Shared infrastructure- toilets, trackway, generators were mentioned- might make sense, depending on who is billing whom at what markup. But outsourcing management of the Show at this stage suggests that permission for Lovebox can't be refused down the line (a month before the event was mentioned for the final approval) without scuppering the Country Show.

    If the Country Show is cancelled a lot of people will be very upset and those of us who've complained about these festivals would be blamed, but that won't happen because Lovebox won't be refused permission.
     
  13. ricbake

    ricbake working out how

  14. madolesance

    madolesance Well-Known Member

    Perfectly explained!

    The Country show set and take down is very much under the radar of most park users. It slowly starts to appear then after that, it always seem to melt away. They never use 'trackways', the main stage comes into the park on 1 vehicle which is set up over 2 days and removed in 1 day.
     
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  15. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Apparently during a licensing review Tower Hamlets licensing committee decided to make Lovebox finish an hour earlier at 10pm because of noise complaints about crowds leaving. Lovebox sued them and convinced the judge that the decision was unfair and were awarded almost 20K costs against the council. The MD of Lovebox was gloating about it at the Herne Hill forum meeting.
     
  16. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Lambeth Council have long form for "consulting" experts via email, rather than commissioning full reports.
     
  17. ricbake

    ricbake working out how

    Dr Ian Boulton is a lovely chap who does the bat walks and does care about the parks.

    But he is a Lambeth Council Officer...
     
  18. Tropi

    Tropi Well-Known Member

    Flocking yell scum...
     
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  19. RoyReed

    RoyReed Must fly!

    Let's hope that if these events go ahead they don't cause the sort of damage that's happened to the area of Clapham Common that was taken over by Winterville.

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    It looks like this area will be fenced off until at least March. The Winterville website says that's when the re-seeding will be completed and they will start applying fertiliser.

    I don't know how this area compares with what will happen at Brockwell Park, but this is about 2/3 of the size that is usually used for the big festivals on the Common.

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  20. jimbarkanoodle

    jimbarkanoodle Well-Known Member

    Clapham Common is huge- this makes no difference, especially this time of year when hardly anyone is using the park. i would honestly say Winterville, which was free entry and good fun for a few weeks, was completely worth a small section of Clapham Common temporarily turning a bit muddy, exacerbated by typical bleak mid winter inclement weather.
     
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  21. Tolpuddle

    Tolpuddle Cooperative council-my arse.

    An early port of call should be to see if the proposals fit with their own policy https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/documents/s82615/Appendix A - Event Strategy 2016.2020.pdf and if they are following the consultation process outlined it in.

    The application is really a two part process, first a political decision as to whether the event(s) are wanted in Lambeth. Probably already taken unofficially. Then an application for a licence. The license process is fixed, & not by Lambeth, there are strict timescales. This means for the operator that they can't be sure they have a licence until the application process and subsequent appeal period (total can add up to 11 weeks) is over. If anyone appeals the license decision then that goes to court, and that can take months. Not good if you have an event this summer!!

    At the time of the Paralympics there was an event on Clapham Common, it was themed as a sport centred thing, but was in some aspects it wasn't dissimilar to a concert, the events team had told the operator they would get the hours they wanted, the license decision came back wrong as the councillors listened to the objectors & reduced the hours. Anal sphincters then worked overtime in the events team (who will be reading this {how's the income target this year so far? }) because they are income target led.

    Once they make a license application then anyone can make an objection, based on certain criteria. Petitions don't carry any weight and neither do pro-forma objections.
     
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  22. hungry_squirrel

    hungry_squirrel Well-Known Member

    Actually, Winterville wasn't free entry...
     
  23. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    It was free apart from Friday and Saturday evenings.
     
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  24. jimbarkanoodle

    jimbarkanoodle Well-Known Member

    actually it was free about 95% of the time, and when it wasnt a meagre £3
     
  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  26. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

  27. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  29. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    That's depressing reading. So now the Bio Diversity officer, according to Events , didn't email comments but talked on the phone.

    I also don't like the way the senior Cllr Sonia didn't talk at the the Herne Hill meeting. The Events team get told what to do by Council. Cllr Sonia should be fully aware of that and what Events are doing. A senior Cllr like her should be talking and answering questions. If she is up to her job ( well paid as a Cabinet member), she should have been briefed by Events before meeting.
     
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  30. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I've heard this before. I'd like to know from Cllrs on what basis Events team was set up. If I look at the website it's like they are any other Council dept. Like licensing or planning. There to help one set up a street party for example. If Events has income targets set by Council it's hardly surprising they actively try to get Lovebox.
     

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