Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 26, 2012.
10 days set up, 3 days festival, 7 days take down, apparently.
And same 20 days for Field Day.
That is a huge footprint and how can they need 20 days for a 3 day festival.
If the fee they are paying Lambeth is £40k as has been mooted, Lambeth have done a terrible deal. £2k a day for blocking off that % of the park is really low.
Interesting backstory to Lovebox:
They had their contact cancelled 18 months early after clashing with Tower Hamlets Council over "excessive late night noise affecting families living close to the park"
and crime. "Figures showed a 155 per cent rise in crime in the area whenever Lovebox events were staged"
“Summers have become a misery for families. The huge increase in crime when these events are held shows the impact on people’s lives.” Labour Cllr Joshua Peck.
Also it links to another article about the new festival taken over at Vic park. They're offering a lot more to the local community...
"free community events using the festival facilities such as the stage, lights, toilets, bars and the huge screen to use as an open air cinema"
"The four community weekdays include school programmes, local bands, choirs and youth groups, as well as ping pong, lawn golf and giant jenga. The council wants to train mentors for schools and colleges, while a craft beer event for small breweries is also planned."
No love lost as Lovebox festival quits Victoria Park for south London after ‘13 electric years’
That article says it was a £2million deal for 5 years. If this is correct there seems to be a be zero missing off the amount they are paying Lambeth per year
it is all very confusing how much Lambeth are being paid. I don't know but I get the impression that much of their charges are being disguised as other types of levy so as to get around restrictions on how income from the park can be spent.
I wonder why Lambeth has suddenly decided to reveal this:
Lambeth Country Show
Presumably they are thinking about charging? If they get Field day & Lovebox perhaps these will subsidise other events, or perhaps they just have to pay for the new town hall.
Yeah, maybe it's part of the 'softening up' approach so if these festivals get turned down they can blame the locals for then having to charge for the Country Show.
From the facebook page:
So only 16 days in total.
I saw that this morning. Those aren't the set up times - they are the times that some one is now saying the sites will be 100% fenced in. Not clear where this info has come from though. It's not what was said at the meeting with Field Day (the guy responsible for building the site). But it has become clear to them that it is a major issue.
Of course, it will still be a huge construction site for that whole period whether it is 100% fenced or not.
Looking at that map, the parkrun won’t be able to go ahead as the path from the Lido to Water Lane seems to be taken over.
And the path from the lido to the tennis courts. And the space everyone meets for the start. And where everyone finishes.
Update: Friends of Brockwell Park vote against plans to bring Lovebox and Field Day to Brockwell Park
Bit of Country Show news Lambeth Council Country Show survey shows that 58% of respondents who attended in 2017 don’t live in the borough
I'm not all that surprised... I usually have rellies come for that weekend
And the Lambeth Country Show starting the day after they finish the Love Box take-down. Where does the country show set-up fit into this? Where's the recovery time? Pretty rubbish planning.
The park is right on the border of Southwark too so you'd expect lots of locals might come from there.
Yeah, a 50:50 split for something on the county border makes massive sense. Someone living on 1 Half Moon Lane will be a Southwark resident but able to walk to the show in a minute.
Tsk tsk. Well dodgy
Chair of Friends of Brockwell Park accuses Lovebox of being “mischievous” after claims festival is talking with park group
Quote from Tower Hamlets labour councillor Joshua Peck whose ward borders Victoria Park and hosted Lovebox for more than ten years:
Public meeting called for Herne Hill residents to put points forward to Lovebox and Field Day organisers
Posted this on December chat.
The use of Brockwell park for events came up at last Brixton Neighborhood Forum on December 14th.
The Lead member for Community Relations and Neighborhood Lead for Brixton Cllr Donatus was present. Now Cllr Rachel is a non person for the Labour group Donatus has taken over what she did. Cllr Donatus is a 120% loyalist to the Labour leadership. Nice bloke but so nice I forget to ask him questions. He is a clever operater on that score.
Donatus take on Lovebox/ Field day is that the Council had given them a good talking to about selling tickets before official permission had been given for events. That the Council , at date of meeting , had not given permission for events. ( Officially) That the Council really wanted to consult stakeholders first.
I wondered after meeting how these two business had got impression permission was a foregone conclusion. The Council line of " nothing has been decided yet" is the one I've heard in LJ over the adventure playground. In narrow terms correct but one knows but cannot prove that decision in practice has been made.
What I heard at the Forum was serious backpedaling from Council. If some residents had not kicked up a fuss this would have all gone through quietly with no queries from Labour Cllrs.
Even at the meeting Cllr Donatus was carefull not to agree or oppose this extra use of Brockwell park.
Imo as Rushy says the Labour party have such big majority that they think they can do what they like. I would have thought that a big majority would mean that Cllrs could have freedom to question what officers do more. The opposite is the case.
There was a long discussion on this. Much repeating what's already been reported on Urban and Brixton Buzz.
One comment was that a Labour Council should look at who is benefitting from these events. Large areas of park are closed off to locals who cannot afford these events. They are priced out. Council should take this aboard.
Another comment was that the Events dept of Council don't talk to Parks dept. That the Council had told Events officerd to maximise income from Council owned parks. I think the point being made us that it's Labour Cllrs who caused this issue. It's not the fault of officers.
What I see at a meeting like this is Cllrs acting as though they are independent arbitrators above these conflicts. Not taking sides. It's not what they should be doing imo.
One of Brockwell Park’s most iconic trees is set to be cut down
I have a feeling of déjà vu. Same situation as the closing down of the libraries and changing them into gyms. Done deal before consultation is finished and a lot of hot air to explain the situation.
Lovebox Victoria Park 2012
A wet week and the grass will disappear and won't grow back for Lambeth Country show 2 weeks later. In these circumstances expect a late cancellation of our much loved community get together ...
I've attached a leaflet from organisers MAMA Festivals hand delivered this morning (I live corner Effra Parade/Dulwich Rd).
No maps of event footprint and no dates/timings of set up/breakdown.
Be aware that Lovebox/Citadel is not just over a weekend but 3 days - Friday/Saturday for Lovebox, Sunday for Citadel.
I suggest everyone opposed prints out and returns to sender ...
LoveBox and Field Day at Brockwell Park – have your say at a public meeting Thurs, 18th Jan
Lambeth Council’s attempt to compare Lovebox and Field Day with the Country Show blown apart in Freedom of Information request
Chukka is so slippery
The following is an email from Labour councillor Joshua Peck responsible for one of the wards adjoining Victoria Park from whence Lovebox were thrown out by the new mayor of Tower Hamlets:
The Lovebox contract to hire Victoria Park was renewed four years ago by then mayor Luftur Rahman despite huge local objections. Mr Rahman has since been found guilty of corruption. He was replaced by Cllr Tim Briggs who, in the run up to his election as mayor, vowed to end the Lovebox contract early because of the misery they were causing residents, including an alleged huge spike in crime during the events. Once elected, he did exactly as promised.
Unfortunately for us, Lambeth Events saw this as an opportunity to pick up Tower Hamlets' sloppy seconds. With a reputation like that it is no wonder that they tried to slip the consultation through unnoticed. If only our own councillors were as interested in representing the people who elected them.
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