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nigelduffy678

New Member
We have an olympic size pool with plenty of room for everyone. Can we please just learn to get along, as they do at the other pools we use.
This from the man who set up a rival organisation with the only aim of disrupting Brockwell Lido Users. Having failed to be elected to the BLU Committee, your response was to try and takeover user representation with a rival club. Thankfully BLU is mandated to serve users by Lambeth Council and Fusion. Your one man vanity project isn't.

It took a while, but the members that you did manage to hoodwink into joining your breakaway finally caught up with your twisted agenda. They proposed a merger with South London Swimming Club. This would mean you surrendering your power. You blocked this. I wonder why?

Can we please just learn to get along, etc.
 

editor

hiraethified
PLEASE NOTE: There's an awful lot of claims and counter claims being made in this thread but if users can't back them up with evidence, then I will consider removing them for what I hope are obvious reasons.

That said, I have no interest in censoring debate or stopping people airing their grievances (and it would appear that there are many).
 

timothysutton1

Brixton resident.
...rival organisation [to] Brockwell Lido Users...
Brockwell Swimmers is not, and has never claimed to be, a rival organisation to the Brockwell Lido User group, BLU.

As explained many many times, we are a registered Community Amateur Sports Club, exactly the same as the South London Swimming Club based at Tooting.

Our members who use Brockwell Lido should also be entitled to equal representation by BLU which claims to represent the interests of ALL users of the Lido.

Sadly this is not the case and why we have asked repeatedly to speak at their next Committee meeting.
 

timothysutton1

Brixton resident.
Why does your club exist?...
You obviously do not know what a sports club is...

BLU is not a sports club (same as it is not a Triathlon Club, or a Swimming Club, or any other sports club).

Other pools have no problem with sports clubs hiring their lanes. This is how they fully utilisee their facilities and it also makes financial sense.

Brockwell Lido should be no different and BLU should be positively encouraging this.
 

TopCat

Organise...
Another fact Tim is that you have a restraining order placed on you by other members of the Lido community. Your disruptive behaviour to users has led them to ask the Fusion management team to warn you not to approach them whilst at the Lido.

It is so sad that you have escalated your petty vendettas to the level that requires this response. You have left some people in tears in the manner in which you harass and bully them at the Lido. For many users this is a special place in London. It is our escape and our safe location. You have done your best to spoil this for the past seven years or so.

No one knows quite what your motivation is, but I suspect that it is something quite deep. It would benefit everyone - yourself included - if you addressed your issues.

The way that you play the victim each time whilst destroying the Lido enjoyment of others is embarrassing to watch. The 104 members that you boast for your private club have largely bought into your sob story that Fusion and BLU are out to get you. The exact opposite is true.

How many of your Twitter followers are fake accounts that were bought? It was very disingenuous of you when you started to gain traction for your 'local swimmers not allowed to use the Lido' petition on the back of this account.

The actual story here was that one bitter and disruptive swimmer was given the cold shoulder by Fusion. The reason is because you spread poison and lies around the Lido.

This all started back in the early days of the very informal Brockwell Icicles group. It was the first season of winter swimming. You touted the idea of a gala. You have made no secret of wanting to import the Tooting SLSC model to Brockwell.

This works well in Tooting, but most Brockwell swimmers just want to... swim. The lack of enthusiasm to organise a gala led to your first hissy fit. It has been a downhill slide for you ever since. Your only motivation it seems is to grab power and control at the Lido to prove a point. Meanwhile others around you just get on with swimming.

To actually then start trying to sell the story that 'local swimmers are not allowed to use the Lido' is nothing but fake news. I am a local swimmer. I have never had any issues in using the Lido. It is only you as a lone Brockwell Swimmer that has the problem.

If you insist on using the Lido then please respect the needs of other users. Don't use our very special place as your playground in your stupid power grabbing game. No one is interested in your agenda. No one is interested in you.

I will give you personal credit for Urban Art. This is a fantastic community event which does you proud. You can achieve so much more when you channel your energy into positive action. Please don't allow your dark thoughts to continue to ruin the Lido experience for everyone else.
Can you evidence the restraining order you refer to? The accused seems to be using his real name so its no loss of privacy. It might give credence to your other accusations?
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Blimey - I though swimming was supposed to chill people out....
In community politics / community groups what I see here isn't unusual.

I'm not criticising any poster here. I'm reserving any judgement as I know how difficult it is to run unpaid voluntary efforts that try to represent peoples interests to Council or its outsourced providers.

I'm on the Brixton Rec Users Group committe so interested to read how Brockwell is doing. I'm also a swimmer.

One point I would make.

The Brixton Rec and the Brockwell lido are both owned by Lambeth Council. They are public assets with a history. Which is providing affordable setvices for the people in Lambeth.

Fusion and in the case of the Rec Better/GLL have a contract with the Council.

One of my concerns is that its the Councils job to ensure that the contract is fulfilled. A clean working public service.

Whatever the arguements between different groups it should be the Council overseeing that the Lido is properly run and Fusion are managing the Lido in good way. Cleanliness , working sauna etc etc should be up to the Council to ensure. That's what we as residents pay them to do.

Plus outsourced management is paid for out of the money we users pay to use the service.

To be frank its an uphill struggle getting this across to the Council.

Its imo one of the downsides of outsourcing management of public assets.
 
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Another fact Tim is that you have a restraining order placed on you by other members of the Lido community. Your disruptive behaviour to users has led them to ask the Fusion management team to warn you not to approach them whilst at the Lido.

It is so sad that you have escalated your petty vendettas to the level that requires this response. You have left some people in tears in the manner in which you harass and bully them at the Lido. For many users this is a special place in London. It is our escape and our safe location. You have done your best to spoil this for the past seven years or so.

No one knows quite what your motivation is, but I suspect that it is something quite deep. It would benefit everyone - yourself included - if you addressed your issues.

The way that you play the victim each time whilst destroying the Lido enjoyment of others is embarrassing to watch. The 104 members that you boast for your private club have largely bought into your sob story that Fusion and BLU are out to get you. The exact opposite is true.

How many of your Twitter followers are fake accounts that were bought? It was very disingenuous of you when you started to gain traction for your 'local swimmers not allowed to use the Lido' petition on the back of this account.

The actual story here was that one bitter and disruptive swimmer was given the cold shoulder by Fusion. The reason is because you spread poison and lies around the Lido.

This all started back in the early days of the very informal Brockwell Icicles group. It was the first season of winter swimming. You touted the idea of a gala. You have made no secret of wanting to import the Tooting SLSC model to Brockwell.

This works well in Tooting, but most Brockwell swimmers just want to... swim. The lack of enthusiasm to organise a gala led to your first hissy fit. It has been a downhill slide for you ever since. Your only motivation it seems is to grab power and control at the Lido to prove a point. Meanwhile others around you just get on with swimming.

To actually then start trying to sell the story that 'local swimmers are not allowed to use the Lido' is nothing but fake news. I am a local swimmer. I have never had any issues in using the Lido. It is only you as a lone Brockwell Swimmer that has the problem.

If you insist on using the Lido then please respect the needs of other users. Don't use our very special place as your playground in your stupid power grabbing game. No one is interested in your agenda. No one is interested in you.

I will give you personal credit for Urban Art. This is a fantastic community event which does you proud. You can achieve so much more when you channel your energy into positive action. Please don't allow your dark thoughts to continue to ruin the Lido experience for everyone else.
A ‘restraining order’ is very different to being told not to talk to people. If you’re going to publish stuff like this in a public forum you should really be more precise. Your words suggest legal action. Which is very unfair unless true. Regardless of the individual’s behaviour.
 

nigelduffy678

New Member
I apologise to Mr Sutton. He has been instructed by Fusion not to approach certain people whilst he is at the Lido. It is unclear what the implications are if he doesn't respect this request, something which happens frequently.
 

TopCat

Organise...
I apologise to Mr Sutton. He has been instructed by Fusion not to approach certain people whilst he is at the Lido. It is unclear what the implications are if he doesn't respect this request, something which happens frequently.
So this is the detail of the restraining order? I think you just gave clarity to the situation. Not good.
 

brockwellswim

New Member
Brockwell takes Bronze

We are thrilled to announce that the Brockwell Swimmers team won bronze at the delayed annual Club Relays which took place Thursday evening 1st August. This was helped by the fact that there were only three teams. However this was an achievement in itself, as the club only had four weeks to plan the event and many swimmers are on holiday this time of year. We hope in 2020 we can go back to our usual slot of the last Thursday in May and invite more teams.

Races started prompt at 8pm with six four-person relays followed by one ten-person squadron relay. Other clubs represented were our local Windrush Triathlon club and the Serpentine Swimmers. Each team had around thirteen swimmers which totaled roughly forty competitors in the water. It was great to see the Lido open and utilised when it would otherwise have been closed.

First place went to Windrush who won an impressive four of the seven races; second went to Serpentine who won two; and third (not last) came our thirteen strong Brockwell Swimmers team winning one race. Special admiration goes to Megan and Lizzie who each swam a length of butterfly. Impressive stuff.

A big thanks to everyone who took part and helped make this a very special evening of fun swimming.



























 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
To be frank I'm getting totally confused with these different groups at the Brockwell Lido.

Who represents what.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Brockwell takes Bronze

We are thrilled to announce that the Brockwell Swimmers team won bronze at the delayed annual Club Relays which took place Thursday evening 1st August. This was helped by the fact that there were only three teams. However this was an achievement in itself, as the club only had four weeks to plan the event and many swimmers are on holiday this time of year. We hope in 2020 we can go back to our usual slot of the last Thursday in May and invite more teams.

Races started prompt at 8pm with six four-person relays followed by one ten-person squadron relay. Other clubs represented were our local Windrush Triathlon club and the Serpentine Swimmers. Each team had around thirteen swimmers which totaled roughly forty competitors in the water. It was great to see the Lido open and utilised when it would otherwise have been closed.

First place went to Windrush who won an impressive four of the seven races; second went to Serpentine who won two; and third (not last) came our thirteen strong Brockwell Swimmers team winning one race. Special admiration goes to Megan and Lizzie who each swam a length of butterfly. Impressive stuff.

A big thanks to everyone who took part and helped make this a very special evening of fun swimming.



























Just to clarify you aren't same as timothysutton1 ?
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
The PFLBL are the people's representatives
I know it can seem funny in one way. But for me the Council is the winner out of this.

One thing our beloved New Labour Council learned was to make sure they didnt have any Life of Brian problems. Any dissidents are destroyed- ex Cllr Rachel is the prime example.
 

Smick

Strictly Second Class
While I'm aware that they have used their own names to sign up, I'm not that keen on all the accusations being thrown about by, and about, Timothy Sutton, Tomas Smith and Nigel Duffy.

If they know each other, and have a genuine beef, this isn't the place to sort it out.
 

TopCat

Organise...
While I'm aware that they have used their own names to sign up, I'm not that keen on all the accusations being thrown about by, and about, Timothy Sutton, Tomas Smith and Nigel Duffy.

If they know each other, and have a genuine beef, this isn't the place to sort it out.
This is exactly the place.
 

Ms Ordinary

randompointlesschemistry
Anyone know how to sign up for the evening water-polo sessions at Brockwell Lido - do you have to join the Brockwell Swimmers Club first?
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
Anyone know how to sign up for the evening water-polo sessions at Brockwell Lido - do you have to join the Brockwell Swimmers Club first?
It's run by SLSC. Here's the info I was sent:

All levels are welcome and total beginners are free to join - just come down to Brockwell Lido on a Tuesday (8pm) or Tooting Bec Lido on a Thursday (7.45pm) and we'll show you the ropes. Tuesdays are 18+ and Thursdays are all ages.
Just so you know, you'll need to be strong enough to swim and tread water in the deep end for long periods of time. No jewellery can be worn and goggles can't be worn after warm up. We provide all the kit you need.
Your first session is free and after that you'll need to join SLSC for £29/year and sessions are £10 each.
 

Ms Ordinary

randompointlesschemistry
Thank you!
Just wanted to clarify as I had a confusing conversation with someone earlier today, who wanted to join the Lido sessions, but had just paid £10 to join Brockwell Swimmers to sign up for them.
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
Thank you!
Just wanted to clarify as I had a confusing conversation with someone earlier today, who wanted to join the Lido sessions, but had just paid £10 to join Brockwell Swimmers to sign up for them.
they also do water polo but I think it's at Alleyns.
 

Ms Ordinary

randompointlesschemistry
I'm pretty sure she thinks she's signed up for a free session at the Lido... though sounds like she can turn up to that one on Tuesday anyway :)
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
I might be wrong - it's all very confusing. I seem to recall that Brockwell Swimmers weren't allowed to use the lido and got up a petition. In any case the Brockwell Swimmers website has their sessions down for Alleyns.
 
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