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hiraethified
Some people have too much time on their hands. I swam at Tooting today, which has a plastic liner, and is invariably way cleaner than Brockwell. The lifeguards were cleaning it today with a big thing which they drag back and forth on a rope. Brockwell is vile, green and full of plasters at the moment.
But that's not because of a lack of a lining. That's because of a lack of maintenance.
 

urbanspaceman

Well-Known Member
I don't understand what the problem is. The petition doesn't explain itself:

"fundamentally changing the swimming experience and the look of this iconic feature" (How ? Presumably the liner will be the usual light blue colour)
"Looking down at the floor of the pool as you swim does not need to be a sanitised experience." (Only affects people wearing goggles, and doesn't explain the disadvantages of "sanitised looking", a concept that I find difficult to grasp anyway)

If fitting a liner reduces the need for maintenance, then presumably the pool will need to be closed less frequently (good), and if it's more sanitary, then also presumably the amount of chemicals used can also be reduced (also very good).
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
Well I'm completely and utterly pissed off with the lido - it's just one problem after another. Today it's closed because the water visibility is so bad because it's FILTHY. I pay membership to use it and instead I've had to go and pay to use Tooting who, tellingly, had 2 lifeguards down on their knees with scrubbing brushes cleaning the area around one of the ladders and a cafe where you can buy a normal cup of tea - not a quinoa and kale version at 3x the price that tries to stop swimmers coming in. Yesterday at Brockwell the outdoor showers were broken - there's always some showers broken. Their piece of shit app has 2x broken this week so I can't actually book anything anyway and despite calling 8 times last week and leaving 2 messages on their answerphone I couldn't actually speak to anyone until I went down there. Got there, there were 3 of us queuing with the same issue and a growing queue of people wanting to get in for a swim behind us having to wait whilst the receptionist tried to sort it out. Meanwhile tons of classes are being covered by alternative instructors which means you get there and it's not what you signed up for - but there's no advance warning of this. The whole place is filthy - after the really hot period last week they just didn't bother to clean it, there was all kinds of disgusting crap all over the place. Winter was just as bad - you never knew if it would be open or not with random opening hours that saw the pool closing 4 or 5 times during the daytime for up to an hour at a time (because they didn't have enough lifeguards). Why they didn't just close down half the pool I don't know. I've never come across a more badly managed sports centre - no wonder they lost all their branches in Southwark. I really wish that some other group would take it over frankly. I would defect to Tooting like a shot if it wasn't for the fact that Brockwell is incredibly convenient for me and on my way to work.
 

editor

hiraethified
Well I'm completely and utterly pissed off with the lido - it's just one problem after another. Today it's closed because the water visibility is so bad because it's FILTHY. I pay membership to use it and instead I've had to go and pay to use Tooting who, tellingly, had 2 lifeguards down on their knees with scrubbing brushes cleaning the area around one of the ladders and a cafe where you can buy a normal cup of tea - not a quinoa and kale version at 3x the price that tries to stop swimmers coming in. Yesterday at Brockwell the outdoor showers were broken - there's always some showers broken. Their piece of shit app has 2x broken this week so I can't actually book anything anyway and despite calling 8 times last week and leaving 2 messages on their answerphone I couldn't actually speak to anyone until I went down there. Got there, there were 3 of us queuing with the same issue and a growing queue of people wanting to get in for a swim behind us having to wait whilst the receptionist tried to sort it out. Meanwhile tons of classes are being covered by alternative instructors which means you get there and it's not what you signed up for - but there's no advance warning of this. The whole place is filthy - after the really hot period last week they just didn't bother to clean it, there was all kinds of disgusting crap all over the place. Winter was just as bad - you never knew if it would be open or not with random opening hours that saw the pool closing 4 or 5 times during the daytime for up to an hour at a time (because they didn't have enough lifeguards). Why they didn't just close down half the pool I don't know. I've never come across a more badly managed sports centre - no wonder they lost all their branches in Southwark. I really wish that some other group would take it over frankly. I would defect to Tooting like a shot if it wasn't for the fact that Brockwell is incredibly convenient for me and on my way to work.
Do you mind if I post this up as an opinion piece on Buzz? Maybe that will provide some incentive for them to sort out the place?
 

editor

hiraethified
yeah go on then. I'm at the end of my tether with the place.
I'll post it up tomorrow. Yesterday's piece about the pool lining attracted loads of views and quite a few comments, so I reckon your venting will attract some attention.
It sounds to me like you've got a good case for compensation or a partial refund on your membership.
 

Smick

Strictly Second Class
No detail of why the plastic liner is wrong or how it will affect anything. I just don't get it. Is it just an Anti plastic stance?
I thought plastic is only an issue if used once only. Disposable water bottles and wrappings on electronic devices etc just go straight in the bin. But a piece of plastic which gets used and reused over a decade isn't an issue in my mind.
 

shakespearegirl

just worked out taglines
Well I'm completely and utterly pissed off with the lido - it's just one problem after another. Today it's closed because the water visibility is so bad because it's FILTHY. I pay membership to use it and instead I've had to go and pay to use Tooting who, tellingly, had 2 lifeguards down on their knees with scrubbing brushes cleaning the area around one of the ladders and a cafe where you can buy a normal cup of tea - not a quinoa and kale version at 3x the price that tries to stop swimmers coming in. Yesterday at Brockwell the outdoor showers were broken - there's always some showers broken. Their piece of shit app has 2x broken this week so I can't actually book anything anyway and despite calling 8 times last week and leaving 2 messages on their answerphone I couldn't actually speak to anyone until I went down there. Got there, there were 3 of us queuing with the same issue and a growing queue of people wanting to get in for a swim behind us having to wait whilst the receptionist tried to sort it out. Meanwhile tons of classes are being covered by alternative instructors which means you get there and it's not what you signed up for - but there's no advance warning of this. The whole place is filthy - after the really hot period last week they just didn't bother to clean it, there was all kinds of disgusting crap all over the place. Winter was just as bad - you never knew if it would be open or not with random opening hours that saw the pool closing 4 or 5 times during the daytime for up to an hour at a time (because they didn't have enough lifeguards). Why they didn't just close down half the pool I don't know. I've never come across a more badly managed sports centre - no wonder they lost all their branches in Southwark. I really wish that some other group would take it over frankly. I would defect to Tooting like a shot if it wasn't for the fact that Brockwell is incredibly convenient for me and on my way to work.
I have a friend on the BLU board, do you mind if I share it with them? I let my membership lapse earlier this year and I’m now inundated with sign up sign up emails from them. I didn’t leave because they were shite but if I was staying in london I would have been tempted to, tbh if it hadn’t of been for Rachel’s classes I probably would have left 10 years ago after my first year of membership
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
I have a friend on the BLU board, do you mind if I share it with them? I let my membership lapse earlier this year and I’m now inundated with sign up sign up emails from them. I didn’t leave because they were shite but if I was staying in london I would have been tempted to, tbh if it hadn’t of been for Rachel’s classes I probably would have left 10 years ago after my first year of membership
if you want - I also have a friend on the BLU board but she puts up with enough of my rants on FB as it is.
 

editor

hiraethified
A damning response on FB to the Buzz article:

I had to repeatedly report nasty levels of wet mould in the steam rooms just under the seats. 1 cm think fungus of some kind all along there. I sent feedback forms to head office and nothing happened. In the end the receptionist took pity and went in to clean it herself but of course this isn't a systemic solution. Also only half of the showers worked. It took then over a year to fix a massive crack in the window of spa area. There was no decent cold shower for the spa area either. When a guest came and payed £15 to use the spa area I was embarrassed at the state of it. I heard a woman once at reception furiuos about the cleanliness standards and cancelling her membership because of it saying she had no more energy to chase this issue. And I know two friends who stopped going for the same reason. It's a shame as I love the place but there is some kind of mismanagement happening as there are two many things for these to be isolated incidents.
 

timothysutton1

Brixton resident.
The chair of the Brockwell Lido Steering Committee is a Trustee of Fusion and I have been told the chair of the Brockwell Lido User group BLU does not use the pool.

Both committees have failed to published any minutes this year. After the recent death of the last BLU chair, new members were co-opted onto the committee on a seemingly "friends of friends" basis. Neither of the Lidos two sports clubs have official representation on any of these committees.

A few years back I disclosed that one of BLU's members had only attended one meeting all year, blocking other members joining. I was then banned and the member was promoted to Treasurer.

Lambeth Council and local councillors are fully aware of the situation yet do nothing. The only Tweet I have seen was from Councillor Mary Atkins who was upset she missed her Pilates class.

There are other questionable practices going on. The whole thing needs taking apart and putting back together again.
 
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Tomas Smith

New Member
I heard Tim Sutton aka The Brockwell Swimmer has been banned from BLU because he keeps having hissy fits at their AGM and hassling committee members. He's also been put on notice at Tooting lido so all his posts on their FB group have to be approved by an admin.

His water polo team tried to get rid of him because they were sick of him. He broke his club constitution to stay as chair and made his husband the club secretary and his friend the treasurer so they all left and went to Tooting. Blatant conflict of interest.

The Brockwell Swimmer needs to own up to his own questionable practices. His whole personal 'club' needs taking apart and putting back together again.

Fusion should check if this is a proper community club. It is debatable whether The Brockwell Swimmer represents the interests of its members.
 

shakespearegirl

just worked out taglines
I heard Tim Sutton aka The Brockwell Swimmer has been banned from BLU because he keeps having hissy fits at their AGM and hassling committee members. He's also been put on notice at Tooting lido so all his posts on their FB group have to be approved by an admin.

His water polo team tried to get rid of him because they were sick of him. He broke his club constitution to stay as chair and made his husband the club secretary and his friend the treasurer so they all left and went to Tooting. Blatant conflict of interest.

The Brockwell Swimmer needs to own up to his own questionable practices. His whole personal 'club' needs taking apart and putting back together again.

Fusion should check if this is a proper community club. It is debatable whether The Brockwell Swimmer represents the interests of its members.
I also heard all of the above.
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
But why the objections to the liner? Anyone?
I think it is an aesthetic thing. I do prefer the concrete floor - there's something more raw about it compared to the plastic lining (although I don't know why I say this - every year I get a "lido graze" from scraping some part of my body on it). I like the feel of it and the look of it and the way the light plays across it - today whilst swimming at Tooting I paid attention to the pool lining and I don't find it as lovely. To be honest though from a pragmatic point of view, I'd trade it for the plastic lining if it meant better water quality - the algae problem that's plagued the pool for the last few years is appalling. I was there one afternoon two years ago when they had to shut a quarter of the pool because the water quality was so bad they couldn't see whether or not people were drowning. The "not using plastic" argument I suppose is valid but then it's hardly "single-use".
 

Tomas Smith

New Member
The Brockwell Swimmer doesn't like his questionable practices being talked about. He doesn't want people to know why he was banned for life from BLU, why his water polo team tried to vote him out, why he had to fill his personal club with cronies to stop him being kicked out, why he's been silenced at Tooting..
 
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