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Brixton's Jobcentre Plus on Brixton Road to close

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    This really concerns me., Apart from the inconvenience of forcing people to travel further afield to access their services, it could well put young men at risk as they're compelled to move into a 'hostile' postcode.

    I've been told that there's plans in place to turn the Jobcentre into a hotel, which seems pretty much par for the course these days in Brixton.

    Brixton Job Centre set to close in ‘reckless’ welfare cuts plan
     
  2. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad RIP Greebo being kinder heckling from the back!

    That sort of thing is just weird and unfair - dole is a pittance to start with, and unless they've changed the rules, you don't get travel expenses for "normal" signing-on.

    E2A - my local job centre is over 20 miles away and with an uneven "hourly" bus / rail service, neither of which are cheap. Parking, and fuel etc is not the cheap alternative. One of the benefits of living in a "rural" area.
     
  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Tbh when I've signed on I've always had a trek - I used to sign in the angel and that was more than a mile from where I lived. Yeh it's crap but there've always been people in London with short journeys to sign and people with long ones.

    E2A has there been any evidence since the closure of the josephine ave esj of gang attacks on people travelling to/from signing?
     
  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I think it's going to be hard to find direct evidence, but forcing young kids to go into another inner city area doesn't seem the greatest idea. There's been no shortage of violence happening around my estate based around this postcode/area bollocks.
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Of course this might be a thing to unite them...
     
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  6. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Not sure the best way of tackling postcode beef is providing the means for people to remain within their postcode areas.
     
  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Sure sounds better than closing down local facilities and forcing them to travel into other areas.
     
  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Travel broadens the mind, and if lots of people forced to do it, it might lead to beefs being set aside.
     
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  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Not sure if you quite understand how this gang stuff works.
     
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  10. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Not really. The money saved by closing down a local job centre could be spent on measures that actually tackled the causes of such crime.
     
  11. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Anyway, attendance at a job centre in person to sign on is a rather crude way of assessing availability for work or finding jobs. You'd think they'd have some more innovative things in the pipeline.
     
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You actually think that the money saved from this is going to go towards helping inner city youth? What kind of bizarre parallel universe are you occupying?
     
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  13. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Oh, please share. I love to hear about innovation.
     
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  14. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    I merely said keeping job centres open isn't the best way of tackling postcode beef. Not sure which bit of that you disagree with.

    If someone wants to put their energies into campaigning for gang crime to be tackled, expending it on keeping job centres open is unlikely to be the best use of time.
     
  15. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    You think forcing people to sign on in person is preferable to say, telephone appointments? Especially for those with difficulties getting about.
     
  16. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Is this part of that programme to combine jobcentres with mental health services?
     
  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Ever tried to call up a job centre? Do you think it's a good idea to get rid of all human contact if possible and make people use the phone instead? Is that the kind of innovation you like?
     
  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    But closing them is likely to make things worse.

    This notion of yours that the money saved by shutting down will somehow be channelled into helping inner city kids is sheer fantasy.
     
  19. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    I don't think Jobcentres tend to care very much about what difficulties their clients or victims might have in getting about.
     
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  20. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Exactly, that's why attendance at them should no longer be required.
     
  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    So you think that people never benefit from face to face contact with trained staff? Just close down the Jobcentres and make them ring up with their problems, yes?
     
  22. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    People shouldn't be forced to go in for face to face conversations, esp if they have to travel far
     
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  23. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad RIP Greebo being kinder heckling from the back!

    And what about the cost of being on hold - or passed around various extns - for the phone bill payer.

    Some people find talking on the phone - because you can't see the body language of the other person - very difficult.
     
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  24. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    I don't they people benefit from compulsory attendance of which the main purpose is to stop the benefits of non-attenders.

    Some people will benefit from face-to-face contact with staff, but I don't this would be best delivered through keeping open so many job centres. They could have staff in local council offices that deal with council tax for example, or in libraries.
     
  25. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    The idea would be the job centre would phone you at a specified time instead of you having to go there in person. It would be optional, and I can't see how it would be worse than forcing people to attend in person.
     
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  26. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    There are certainly better uses of my time.
    Proving you are looking for work to the satisfaction of the DWP in fact gets in the way of the actual looking for work.
     
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  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Please let me know when you reach a conclusion
     
  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Yep. And not everyone has unlimited credit to spend being kept on hold for ages and ages. In fact, any people at the bottom of the pile struggle to pay their mobile bills.

     
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  29. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Can't be arsed with your smartarse flippancy today.
     
  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Yes, a grand use of library space and most conducive to readers' study
     

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