Discussion in 'Brixton' started by phillm, Oct 2, 2017.
And sadly here's a bit of bad news.
Revealed: 'For sale' sign hoisted over Brixton Market
Fuck. I think that worth a thread of its own. I posted more about the markets here: Brixton for sale: Brixton Village and Market Row are on the market for £30m
Some interesting comments from FB friends. I think this really will finish off the market as a place having any kind of connection with the past (or, indeed, the reasons for its listed status):
Profit-taking by the current owner. As suggested above, new owner (assuming it's not some boring pension-fund type group - which would be good, but unlikely) is likely to want routes to increased property value - which means reviving the 2007 plan to build flats on top - only this time it will be many more flats (8 stories?), with (I predict) a 'clever' scheme to keep the market open during construction. Squire & co as architects? I wouldn't be surprised...
This is the last nail in the coffee...
It definitely doesn't look good. I've been renting a studio via ASC since 2010, during which time my rent has tripled. I was already dreading the rent review in January. Now I'm worried it could be the last one...
So is it really a given that the new landlord will be worse than the current one?
This might be good news for the 414, at least for a while...maybe the plans for their building will go on the back burner for a year or two.
The markets are listed now. So don't think that could happen.
Being listed doesn't guarantee that a building will never get altered or flattened.
Ninety listed buildings demolished
And then of course there's the mysterious arson bug that affects so many listed buildings that stand in the way of profitable developments...
Listed building status is paper-thin protection - not any sort of guarantee.
Clever architects are great at finding ways to make it look nice, while gutting the reality. In this case, preserving the entrance facades and the market, while keeping the housing set back above would probably be a goer.
Check out the price of public land in brixton.
Indeed - and you can see an example of that right next door with Walton Lodge.
This one was an absolute shocker. The architects and everyone involved in the project should hang their heads in shame.
Yes, it's criminal, or at least it should be.
Not sure that would be the case with the markets. It's Grade 2 listed. The listing reason Includes the roof of market row and Brixton village.
Also the internals of Reliance Arcade.
BRIXTON MARKETS - RELIANCE ARCADE, MARKET ROW AND GRANVILLE ARCADE (BRIXTON VILLAGE), Lambeth - 1393881| Historic England
So it is not only exterior frontage that's protected.
The question is why if it was possible to put in plans to build housing on top the present owners didn't do that? As it would have increased value if it was sold with planing permission for alterations.
Like listing the Rec like listing the markets isn't complete protection. It wasn't imo a waste of time imo to get markets listed. It stopped the first plans to build on it. It gives the covered markets a status architecturally they didn't have before. The listing also is for the markets later importance as shopping area for the Windrush generation.
One of my problems with listing is that it protects buildings but doesn't stop gentrification.
Listing helps but is not total safeguard. Unless it's Grade 2 star listing like the Brixton Windmill.
A possible scenario for the covered markets is a restoration job and letting out shops to upmarket business. See Bermondsey market as example. ( A job for Squires)
That would begin accord with architectural side of listing if not to the markets historical heritage for the working class Afro Carribbean community.
We had this discussion on urban before and it seems that the historical heritage bit don't mean jack in terms of protecting that mix. It's already shifted massively from being a market I'd describe as predominately Afro-Caribbean.
The Voice has posted an article that makes some good points:
Not sure where they're going with this point, mind:
Brixton Market and Village on sale for £30,000,000
Mr Martin's conviction and imprisonment was covered here:
Brixton's Blacker Dread jailed for two and a half years for money laundering
Andrea Photiou should clarify what connection there is between that matter and the proposed sale of Brixton Market, as well as her knowledge of, and in expertise in the history of the Caribbean community in Brixton.
Statement from Lambeth:
That's a relief then.
If the operators have a lease until 2036 (nearly 20 years to go) it seems surprising that the freehold was being marketed for £30 million.
Maybe that's a smokescreen to justify Lambeth saying: "For these reasons, when we were informed about the intended sale we closely examined the situation surrounding the freehold and how that relates to the day to day running of the market by the current leaseholders Groupe Geraurd. Lambeth Council considered making a bid for the freehold, but our financial analysis indicated that we could not submit a bid at a competitive level." ???
I'll be amazed if there aren't notable changes taking place soon after the sale takes place. Landlords are landlords after all.
The statement from Cllr Bennett appears to me to suggest that Lambeth Council played a leading role in getting the covered markets listed. I don't remember that. Am I wrong?
I do remember one local Ward Cllr being quite enthusiastic about the owners London and Associated Properties redevelopment plans for the markets. The plans which sparked off the campaign to get it listed.
I don't recall that either. You could probably get a feel for how it was via the thread on here from that time.
Bennett, as is usual for him, is amending the narrative to favour Lambeth. They had very little to do with it, while the traders had a lot to do with it.
Oh dear Revealed: Mike Ashley's Sports Direct eyes deal to buy Brixton Market
Oh Christ - sounds like he has a vision of some inner circle of hell by which "Brixton Market is the new Camden Market", with gullible teens from across Europe being sold crappy footwear and sportswear with some spurious cachet of street *edginess* as part of the Brixton brand.
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