Brixton UAF coach bricked by Nazi

[Pickman's model]

edit: picky you really are an unpleasent litlle man.

an unpleasant man who can spell though

 

[Gramsci]

Ah well. Put them to good use. I've currently got the usual load of Nation of Islam guys outside my front door diligently handing out racist and fascist material. Why are they allowed to do that and the BNP isn't?

Those the ones with suits and bow ties? Only approach Black people with there mag?

At one point they had talks with the far right in the US to divide the country into separate areas for Blacks and whites. As they are both against people of different colour mixing.

Fascism in this Country never took off. Whats is worrying is how "mainstream" parties pander to racist/ anti immgrant attitudes to wean voters away from far right. In this sense the far right have influence over social policy.

I think the point Cliffite is trying to make is that the incident happened locally. This (if Cliffite is correct in that it was a planned attack) is unusual. The SWP way of expressing yourself Cliff maybe doenst help.

 

[Cliffite]

an unpleasant man who can spell though

All that time on the internet has some rewards then

 

[Pickman's model]

All that time on the internet has some rewards then

doesn't seem to have done you any favours.

 

[Cliffite]

@Gramsci: My point is mainly that it was very annoying. Also could have done someone some real harm if a bit lower.

A small dent in an otherwise very successful day.

 

[love detective]

Because it would be preferable to think there was a general climate that flag flying nationalism is unpleasent (provoking the odd stone) then assume the much more likely option that it was a nazi nut job?

so in your mind anyone who, for whatever reason, puts a national flag on display deserves to be pelted with rocks the size of cricket balls that can nearly kill folk?

that's your 'politics' is it

 

[Silver_Fox]

I would be very surprised if the person who threw the rock wasn't a racist/fascist. It also seems probable that it was planned. Whether it was a total nut job acting alone or a member of the BNP it's impossible to know. If the BNP keeps growing they will do unofficial stuff or have rogue elements who will carry out physical attacks.

The opening post by cliffite and subsequent posts does have that classic SWP hysterical tone about it that many SWP members (especially their organisers) are seemingly oblivious about in terms of how it comes across to others.

Also while I'm against nationalism I think it's a bit stupid to say that it would be a good thing if people in Brixton starting throwing rocks at anyone with a nationalist flag.

A shame someone didn't run off the coach and cut off the bloke at Acre Lane, which would have been very possible. That's the only way he would have got out of Porden Road.

 

[Cliffite]

dear god, it wasn't a serious comment. The only serious point was that it would be preferable to think that someone had randomly objected to union jack nationalism in brixton then some nazi had deliberately gone out to wack a group of anti-fascists.

ffs. I might avoid a pub covered in union jacks but I wouldn't recommend bricking the windows.

 

[Cliffite]

Unfortunately the coach was moving and by the time pulled up the nazi was to far off to catch even if we'd been expecting it. Truth is we were caught off guard as we've got used to not worrying so much about this sort of thing.

That said the incident does show that he wasn't confident enough to try and confront people as they arrived and could easily have missed the coach entirely (hit last but one window.)

 

[Nanker Phelge]

It's a flag, they get flown all over the world, on the end of poles everywhere....not having rocks lobbed at them?!

I think you should have left the union jack out of the story.

 

[Cliffite]

So do I nanker, so do i. Unfortunately the above coment is a response to someone pondering if the brick was people (because of flag) thinking we were BNP. The post then makes sense as a more lighthearted "If only that were true" type riposte.


Edit: and the union jack flying all over the world is the reason i find them a bit much as a decoration.

 

[Greenfish]

edited

 

[Greenfish]

Sorry, just read further about not wanting to brick the flag pub...

...but I still think you could be wrong about it being a BNP nazi.

 

[Mind]

Ah well. Put them to good use. I've currently got the usual load of Nation of Islam guys outside my front door diligently handing out racist and fascist material. Why are they allowed to do that and the BNP isn't?

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE POINT!

They don't bother with extreme nationlists like the Nation of Islam/Marcus Garvey followers because they are black and in their minds, anything black must be good.

It wasn't so long ago that someone on the thread started by Cliffite was advocating violence. Violence begets violence, so looking for sympathy when your opponents start lobbying bricks seems a bit rich.

And to Cliffite and supporters

I am also sick and tired of extreme left-wingers using black people as a political football. Leave us alone for heaven's sake. Haven't you ever asked yourselves why few if any of us bother to join you on your protests? It's because you are just as bad as the BNP just that you've decided to pick on an alternative group of people to "like".

A plague on all your houses. BNP, Nation of Islam, Communo-Marxist Left-wingers, whatever. None of you will ever get support from the majority because you are all bonkers.

 

[Jonti]

That, or it could be that as almost all "black" families are in fact mixed, so black separatism is is an obvious political dead-end in the UK. The same indulgent indifference cannot be extended to white separatism.

 

[Lo Siento.]

you can't talk about 'smashing the fash' and get all squeamish when they give it back to you.

 

[Gramsci]

@Gramsci: My point is mainly that it was very annoying. Also could have done someone some real harm if a bit lower.

A small dent in an otherwise very successful day.

Not how you started this thread. Look at your first posts on this thread. You used this incident to make a political point that whilst the BNP present a respectable front they are a bunch of organised thugs. Probably valid point to make imo.

Perhaps you should have called this thread "Annoying Nazi spoils Sunday outing for the Workers"

 

[Gramsci]

The opening post by cliffite and subsequent posts does have that classic SWP hysterical tone about it that many SWP members (especially their organisers) are seemingly oblivious about in terms of how it comes across to others.

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my feeling exactly. Even though many people are sympathetic some of the responses here are due to the tone of Cliffites posts.

 

[Gramsci]

so in your mind anyone who, for whatever reason, puts a national flag on display deserves to be pelted with rocks the size of cricket balls that can nearly kill folk?

that's your 'politics' is it

How about burning the "Union Jack" like our US cousins do to there flag when they get upset? Or has New Labour outlawed that one yet?

Shoe Throwings a good one.Doesnt really do any harm. Unless coppers could get time off sick for it hurting there feelings. Saw plenty of shoes thrown at Coppers on the march about Israels attack on Gaza earlier this year.

 

[Cliffite]

you can't talk about 'smashing the fash' and get all squeamish when they give it back to you.

Oh god, the point surely is about political justification and method.

I think that the BNP would be a serious political danger if they can grow much larger off their election results. Therefore I am willing to spend a few weeks fundraising for transport and trying to get people to come and blockade their "summer festival"/rally to try and drive a wedge between their core and softer support. I would expect a certain amount of (snide) support from (relatively) like minded people on Urban. That isn't to rule out more direct tactics in different circumstances.

They hate all of us and would stop us organising permentantly. A lone nut/BNP supporter almost does in a anti fascist in Brixton with a rock thrown before legging it.

It's not about being squeemish rather then hard or about some sort of fight where you expect what you give.

In this case the point is both that elements around the BNP are increasingly doing this sort of thing. I think it is not unlikely that the nut that did it thought that hitting a coach in Brixton had a certain extra kudos for the fash. It something to be aware of both because it's relevant for anti-fascists and because we wouldn't expect it in Brixton.

 

[Cliffite]

Not how you started this thread. Look at your first posts on this thread. You used this incident to make a political point that whilst the BNP present a respectable front they are a bunch of organised thugs. Probably valid point to make imo.

Perhaps you should have called this thread "Annoying Nazi spoils Sunday outing for the Workers"

A point I wouldn't have believed to be quite so controversial. It being very annoying was intended to signify that it didn't detract from the overall success of the demo.

Edit (clarity): Meaning the reason for bothering to put it here (epecting general agreement on that point) was annoyance at its effect.

 

[Gramsci]

I know its obvious really that the BNP have public respectable face and boot boys as well. Seen This is England? The meeting in the pub. The NF guy turns up in his Jag and there are a lot of skins there as well. Far Right was always like this.

 

[Lo Siento.]

In this case the point is both that elements around the BNP are increasingly doing this sort of thing. I think it is not unlikely that the nut that did it thought that hitting a coach in Brixton had a certain extra kudos for the fash. It something to be aware of both because it's relevant for anti-fascists and because we wouldn't expect it in Brixton.

you've got to see how the OP came across hysterical though right? You've got to see that if you go around talking about shutting things down and smashing organisation, some pretty minor violence comes with the territory. Especially after antifascists were videoed kicking the shit out of some fella on that casuals united demo.

 

[Greenfish]

what is the exact nature of the evidence that it was a BNP member, please?

And that he threw it hard does not count.

Exact evidence, please?

 

[Onket]

Bicker, bicker, bicker.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I went past a Morrisons today - they were doing a promotion for the best of british meat - big union jack in the window!

I threw a huge fuck off rock right through it.

Nationalist Supermarket scum!

 

[JimW]

I've had to give up the football because every time I chuck a brick at some lads with an 'Alsager Alex On Tour' flag or whatever they get really shirty about it

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I've had to give up the football because every time I chuck a brick at some lads with an 'Alsager Alex On Tour' flag or whatever they get really shirty about it

It's also a bit of pain carrying rocks about in case you see a national flag that you've got bring down in the name of human rights!

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's also a bit of pain carrying rocks about in case you see a national flag that you've got bring down in the name of human rights!

That's why I just shoot the fuckers instead.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

That's why I just shoot the fuckers instead.

That'll teach 'em!