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Brixton Somerleyton Road development, Ovalhouse and Brixton Green - funding, proposed rents etc

editor

hiraethified
Sorry dear, I was just doing what I said I was going to do last night. Had I not updated it, I'd be doing the same bad things re. communication that BG appear to be doing.

So, I'm sorry that taking perhaps 15 seconds of my time to post an update of something that I said I would do last night offends you.

Again, at no point in my posting history here have I ever defended BG.
I truly wasn't offended, so you're OK "dear" :confused:
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
As a side note - how can Dennis Gyamfi be a trustee of BG? They only list Brad on their accounts. Unless DG is a co-opted Trustee with no powers?
Is there multiple bodies for it - I&P and then something else? I don't have a trade account to any of the co-directors registration sites to check. CH1 any ideas?
I can't remember all the ins and outs of Brixton Green - maybe a lot is earlier in this thread.

TRUST or CHARITY?

BG is not a charity in the sense of a charity registered with the charity commission. Charity Commissions rules/conventions may not apply therefore.

Trustees would be selected according to the applicable constitution or trust deed. May not be expected to have full knowledge of the finances. I don't know, or know anything about Dennis Gyamfi so not sure what issue you are raising here.

ACCOUNTS
I am not sure that all trustees need to be listed on accounts if the organisation is an Industrial/Provident society charity (which is what Brixton Green is).
Do I take it that one has paid £12 to download the accounts?
Looks like the people who control the rules on reporting accounts and if necessary trutees are in this case the FCA and ultimately the Bank of England.

Unless we have any chartered accountants used to dealing with Housing Associations or Credit Unions on board. (They would be under similar rules)
 

cuppa tee

Well-Known Member
Here's a follow up piece that includes a look at BG's finances:
Brixton Green take back seat role at Somerleyton Road as yet another organisation moves in to manage ‘community’ site

The comment speaks volumes about the chaos going on at the site.
..............so the Green Man Skillzone is involved

The Green Man Skills Zone is a flagship project of the Lambeth Working campaign. The campaign helps residents who are out of work to get a job or improve their skills by raising awareness of the services that are available in the borough to support them.
ref........ http://www.singleparents.org.uk/organisation/green-man-employment-skills-zone-lambeth

and the people behind the Green Man set up are part of the council....


http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/brl-lib-peck-business-rate-letter.pdf

Our brokerage service ‘Lambeth Working’ links local people with local jobs and has recently helped Tesco, Park Plaza and Arriva to recruit local talent. {/quote]
 
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Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Here's a follow up piece that includes a look at BG's finances:
Brixton Green take back seat role at Somerleyton Road as yet another organisation moves in to manage ‘community’ site

The reader comment speaks volumes about the chaos going on at the site.
I had a chat with Maria on the way home tonight.

She said Michael Groce head of Green Man turned up and tried to chuck her out of Number 6. Then he called police. They turned up and she showed them her paperwork giving her the right to have a office there. BG have not given her official notice to terminate this. The police told Groce its a civil matter. ie its not a dispute they can get involved in. Police said its a matter for the owner of the land in the end- Lambeth Council. Groce was most upset about this. He got angry about it.

So its not over yet. She said she does not want to go quietly. She is refusing to give in to intimidation. And intimidation is what it was.

Not sure how much I want to post up on open board. But what is happening at number 6 is not good.

As I have posted up and Maria told me again tonight BG were keen to use her now they want to get rid of her.

Yes it does sound like chaos. I am surprised by what she told me? Not really. This is down to BG in the end.I am not sure that the Council are fully aware of how BG have been behaving. I asked her if I could post this up. She said yes as it needs to be known.

As she says she did a lot to make Number 6 a nice place to be and know its ended up like this. Through no fault from her side.
 
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editor

hiraethified
I had a chat with Maria on the way home tonight.

She said Michael Groce head of Green Man turned up and tried to chuck her out of Number 6. Then he called police. They turned up and she showed them her paperwork giving her the right to have a office there. BG have not given her official notice to terminate this. The police told Groce its a civil matter. ie its not a dispute they can get involved in. Police said its a matter for the owner of the land in the end- Lambeth Council. Groce was most upset about this. He got angry about it.

So its not over yet. She said she does not want to go quietly. She is refusing to give in to intimidation. And intimidation is what it was.

Not sure how much I want to post up on open board. But what is happening at number 6 is not good.

As I have posted up and Maria told me again tonight BG were keen to use her now they want to get rid of her.

Yes it does sound like chaos. I am surprised by what she told me? Not really. This is down to BG in the end.I am not sure that the Council are fully aware of how BG have been behaving. I asked her if I could post this up. She said yes as it needs to be known.

As she says she did a lot to make Number 6 a nice place to be and know its ended up like this. Through no fault from her side.
They called me and asked me to come down when it was happening. It was a disgraceful way to treat someone who has worked so hard for the local community. And good for her for standing her ground. Naturally BG didn't show their faces during al this.

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Gramsci

Well-Known Member
They called me and asked me to come down when it was happening. It was a disgraceful way to treat someone who has worked so hard for the local community. And good for her for standing her ground. Naturally BG didn't show their faces during al this.

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Good that you went down. BG were not there they as they were using Groce of Green Man to try to kick her out. From what she said he was quite aggressive. Throwing a chair across the room in his anger. When he did not get his way. Then locking her in the building.

Michael Groce of Green Man gets good press on Future Brixton, the Councils propaganda website for all the wonderful ways it consulting us.

Our job is to make sure a wide variety of local people get to use the space at Six Brixton, as well as support those already doing so.
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Gramsci

Well-Known Member
I really need to distance myself form Somerleyton after all that has happened to my community there. But when I hear Maria telling me of the way that BG have treated her it really annoys me.

My Coop were a reasonable bunch who were prepared to go when the Mansions was needed for redevelopment and take part in the consultations on the site.

But we got our community broken up. The Council would rather work with the kind of people who run Brixton Green. I really resent it. I would not mind so much if it was just the Council doing the whole project.

And Maria confirmed to me that BG objective number one , as I knew all along, was to get control of the site. People like her are used and discarded when no longer required. Yet this is the "community" group the Council has chosen to represent the communities interests in this development.
 
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brixtonblade

Well-Known Member
I am struggling to keep up

Are the stated aims of the redevelopment (which I understand to be redevelopment and renewal with high proportion of social housing) being delivered in a cack handed way or is there a suggestion that there are other motivations?

I seem to remember that there wasn't to be as much social housing as hoped / expected - is this turning into more commercial development?
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
I am struggling to keep up

Are the stated aims of the redevelopment (which I understand to be redevelopment and renewal with high proportion of social housing) being delivered in a cack handed way or is there a suggestion that there are other motivations?

I seem to remember that there wasn't to be as much social housing as hoped / expected - is this turning into more commercial development?
If only it was as simple as the Council building Council housing and Oval House building a theatre.I wish they would just do this and get on with it.

No its the Nu Labour Council experimenting with new ways of doing things. A partnership between the community ( as represented by Brixton Green. Chosen by Council to represent community), Ovalhouse and the Council. An example of the Cooperative Council in action. Its why people like me get annoyed with it all.

The motivation of Brixton Green is to have control of the finished site once the Council have built it.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
I seem to remember that there wasn't to be as much social housing as hoped / expected - is this turning into more commercial development?
To answer this question.

It is a good one to ask. We keep getting promised social housing on the site but have had no real detail yet. Only aspirations.

Like with Pop Brixton a lot of aspirations and promises are made but in the end people are disappointed.

Yes I think that is possible on this development in long term.
 

brixtonblade

Well-Known Member
A possibly naive question then: is it possible to find out from the council why brixton green have been chosen and to get the councils opinion on them not responding to questions?
 

Tricky Skills

Well-Known Member
A possibly naive question then: is it possible to find out from the council why brixton green have been chosen and to get the councils opinion on them not responding to questions?
Good luck with that one.

Shifting responsibility and accountability from a democratically elected Cllr to a wishy washy Third Way group pretty much sums up what the Co-operative Council is all about.

If it was Lambeth Council directly managing Six Brixton then it would be easier to find a solution. The Co-operative Council has 'trusted' the likes of the mysterious Brixton Green to tinker around with a Nu Labour model, as well as walking away from any direct responsibility.

When it all goes wrong - as it clearly has - residents are unsure as to who to turn to.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Good luck with that one.

Shifting responsibility and accountability from a democratically elected Cllr to a wishy washy Third Way group pretty much sums up what the Co-operative Council is all about.

If it was Lambeth Council directly managing Six Brixton then it would be easier to find a solution. The Co-operative Council has 'trusted' the likes of the mysterious Brixton Green to tinker around with a Nu Labour model, as well as walking away from any direct responsibility.

When it all goes wrong - as it clearly has - residents are unsure as to who to turn to.
I agree with you that poor, weak or indirect management makes a solution difficult.

I could cite a similar situation back in the 1990s where Lambeth were directly in control of a tenants hall and a weak and divided TA led to sub-letting , legal disputes and then dereliction. The whole thing took over 10 years to sort out. So Old Lambeth was not necessarily better.
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
The motivation of Brixton Green is to have control of the finished site once the Council have built it.
And the sort of "control" that will probably mean BG taking a cut from management fees, even if they do fuck-all. As was said 2-3 years ago, this is about people cashing in, under the dubious premise of supposedly representing Brixton opinion and needs. IIRC they have about 200 members - a tiny amount of people who are highly unlikely to represent the entirety of Brixton opinion.
 

editor

hiraethified
They claim 1000 members now - http://www.brixtongreen.org/qa/ or at least 1000 shareholders, which isn't the same as 1000 active participants.

Given the situation with No 6. it's also particularly insensitive to have the picture on their front page: http://www.brixtongreen.org/
Some of those shareholders are children, the no-longer living here, the idly curious and - from my own anecdotal evidence - seriously miffed off people who thought they were buying into something entirely different to what they got.

Although they're partial to suggesting that those 1,000 shareholders are all on-message with BG's ever-shifting and always-opaque plans, it's as credible as claiming that urban75's 40,000 signed up users are all speaking with one voice.

But at least we respond to emails. :D
 
Tricky Skills hello there, can you clarify what you mean by this:

Brixton Buzz understands that the Big Lottery Fund is investigating the spending of a £9,486.42 grant handed out to Brixton Green.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Tricky Skills hello there, can you clarify what you mean by this:

Brixton Buzz understands that the Big Lottery Fund is investigating the spending of a £9,486.42 grant handed out to Brixton Green.
Sorry to interject, but that sort of figure rings bells in my head as some some of funding from the Mayors Office re developing community led or community built housing. Can't see any reference on Brixton Green's website, but there might be stuff on the Urban 75 Can anybody tell me about Brixton Green? thread.

Of course the Big Lottery MAY have also given money to Brixton Green, but I'm wondering if this is a mistaken attribution?
 

Tricky Skills

Well-Known Member
Tricky Skills hello there, can you clarify what you mean by this:

Brixton Buzz understands that the Big Lottery Fund is investigating the spending of a £9,486.42 grant handed out to Brixton Green.
Exactly this: The Big Lottery Fund is investigating what happened to the £9,486.42 it awarded to Brixton Green. The projects should have been completed by April of this year.





 

Tricky Skills

Well-Known Member
Sorry to interject, but that sort of figure rings bells in my head as some some of funding from the Mayors Office re developing community led or community built housing. Can't see any reference on Brixton Green's website, but there might be stuff on the Urban 75 Can anybody tell me about Brixton Green? thread.

Of course the Big Lottery MAY have also given money to Brixton Green, but I'm wondering if this is a mistaken attribution?
No.

£9,486.42 was awarded by the Big Lottery Fund to Brixton Green. BG claimed that it could secure match funding. This never happened.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Sorry to interject, but that sort of figure rings bells in my head as some some of funding from the Mayors Office re developing community led or community built housing. Can't see any reference on Brixton Green's website, but there might be stuff on the Urban 75 Can anybody tell me about Brixton Green? thread.

Of course the Big Lottery MAY have also given money to Brixton Green, but I'm wondering if this is a mistaken attribution?
http://gotlottery.uk/big-lottery-fund-brixton-green-limited-6-436080
 
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