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Brixton Road is still one of London's most polluted roads

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Jan 7, 2015.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    This is shocking - the road has suffered unacceptable levels of pollution for years now and it's not getting any better:
    http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2015/01/...eu-pollution-limit-for-all-of-2015-this-week/
     
  2. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Yep - Having lived by that road for about 15yrs I was disturbed to read that. Didn't read in detail but from a quick glance it looked like Brixton Road is 40% worse than Oxford street which was the headline story?
     
  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The press focused on sexier Oxford Street, but Brixton Road was the most polluted in terms of NO2 levels last year by a considerable factor - and it was the same story in 2010.
     
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  4. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    what can we do?
     
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  5. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    Breathe less.
     
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  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Lobby more. Write about it. Publicise it.
     
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  7. story

    story Changing the facts

    But in any case, what can be done about it?

    Can traffic be limited or reduced on this street? It's a major through route. Obviously the larger issue is vehicles, fuel, particulates etc. but that's a larger policy issue.
     
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  8. story

    story Changing the facts

    What would we be asking for though?

    Where would the traffic go?
     
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  9. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    I'd impose some sanctions on private cars.
     
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  10. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    That would be local and not help. Issue is main arterial route for lorries and busses (and non local cars).
     
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  11. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Put up wires and convert all buses to trolley buses.
     
  12. EastEnder

    EastEnder Brixton Barnacle

    IIRC diesel engines produce a lot more NO2 than petrol engines (with catalytic converters), and there's an awful lot of buses on Brixton Road.

    I suggest replacing them with a tram system. Maybe one like this:

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    ;)
     
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  13. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It needs a whole load of coordinated strategies, but maybe banning big diesel lorries in peak hours (where they're forced to go slowly because of traffic) or insisting that the most polluting vehicles be retrofitted with filters might help? Either way it is unacceptable that Brixtonites should be forced to inhale such health threatening fumes every day.
     
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  14. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    re-installing tram lines would be incredibly disruptive. You have to re-route utilities because the point loads from trams are much higher than regular traffic. They'd also have to share space with buses, thus removing the scheduling benefits.

    Trolley buses are the answer. Most buses in London are already Hybrids, so should be convertable to electric operation. They could even keep their diesel engines for driving "off the wires"
     
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  15. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

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  16. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    I have the impression that most of the traffic is private cars, which slow down vehicles that provide more utility: buses, lorries, vans and taxis.

    Or is it the case that lorries produce the bulk of these pollutants?
     
  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Diesel lorries, vans and buses are the real BaD BoyZ, with the situation made worse by the congestion caused by private cars.
     
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  18. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

    i would guess that a good percentage of the private cars on the road at rush hour are doing school runs
    this could easily be stopped by making kids go to the nearest school to their house
     
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  19. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

    How do you identify private cars ?
     
  20. steeeve

    steeeve Well-Known Member

    buses seem the worst to me especially when blocking the road next to the station while trying to overtake each other.

    Even the new Routemasters fail the ultra low emission zone criteria
     
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  21. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Because they'll be the ones saluting the captain cars.
     
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  22. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    No taxi stamp or company logos etc. Not likely to be precise.

    In ten minutes outside Olive Morris house today, most of the traffic (80%?) was private cars, by my rough definition.
     
  23. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

    Was this around school run time ?
    Was there congestion ?
     
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  24. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    IIRC there's a scheme in place to convert all London Transport buses to zero or ultra-low emissions, but I don't know what the time scale is for completion... The sooner the better, that's for sure.
     
  25. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Not sure about this - it's only anecdata but most primary school pupils I know are walked to school and I would guess most secondary school pupils (in London) get there under their own steam.

    Edit to add: the school admission process is already based on distance to school. Most parents would love to be 'made' to go to their closest school; the reality is those schools are often over-subscribed.

    I seem to remember a stat that most private car journeys within London are less than 2 miles.

    Most cars I see on my bike route into town are delivery/commercial vehicles.
     
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  26. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    See post #15.
     
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  27. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    No major congestion (why does this matter?) A little before school run.

    But you are right: always a few cars outside our kids' school, usually with their engines on.

    Not sure what you can do about this issue because families can move house or choose further-away schools.
     
  28. SWB

    SWB Banned Banned

    Short term the partial solution is to switch back to petrol.

    Longer term I think LPG was dismissed too easily in the dash for diesel.
     
  29. billythefish

    billythefish toad licker

    The problem with Diesel is that it better for the global environment (lower greenhouse gases and better consumption), but worse for localised pollution. All modern diesels have catalysts and particulate filters and these can be retrofitted to any vehicle with an ECU. Surely it should be an MOT failure not to have these fitted?
    The highest polluted areas seem to be where you have a lot of stationary traffic and a relatively narrow street with tall buildings that contain the fumes. They should have moved most of the bus stops in Brixton to the Windrush Square / St Matthews Island / Town Hall pavements where there is more space for buses to manoeuvre and through-traffic to get past.
    Oxford Street should have a shuttle service (tram or trolley bus) with all bus routes terminating at each end.
    My tuppence-worth...
     
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  30. SWB

    SWB Banned Banned

    Some good points above. Diesel cars are getting cleaner but my understanding is that they are still not as clean as petrol engines, which have themselves been improving.

    If I lived in London and had to drive then a petrol C1 or Aygo would be my choice.
     
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