Brixton Ritzy staff in pay dispute for London Living Wage with Picturehouse Cinemas

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    unbelievable these people here.
    they are either trolling at the expenses of people in a desperate situation or are just right wing tory cunts who shouldn't be anywhere near a discussion on workers rights.
    get rid, i say.
     
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  2. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    You need to learn to engage with people you disagree with and attempt to persuade them of the correctness of your argument!
     
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  3. aka

    aka Brixton Hill

    Points off for using a '!', but - you know - good job. Seven!
     
  4. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    You didn’t call me a cunt, so that’s progress
     
  5. aka

    aka Brixton Hill

    A Cunt's Progress - by JJ Bunyan Abrams. I'd watch that.
     
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  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It's all such a joke to you and alcopop, isn't it?
     
  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    And on that note, you're banned from this thread. The Ritzy dispute is about workers fighting for a decent wage and this thread is not an appropriate place for your pissing about.
     
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  8. discobastard

    discobastard ____*\(oo)/*____

    Copied over from Brixton news thread where this was a reply to a previous post.

    Not one single person on this thread has ever said they would ‘happily join the people laughing and drinking in the Ritzy when there’s a protest happening right next to them’. If you actually believe that then one has to call your general judgement into question. But let’s not go into that.

    Nobody is ‘pushing the blame on to the workers’ – I suspect aka was using the well known rhetorical device of 'exaggerating for comic effect' – and presumably for a reason. I suspect you know that.

    Here’s a scenario. For the benefit of the tape, it is not my scenario and it is not my position. But it is possibly realistic and based on a number of things I have heard from people here, people who aren’t on the boards whom I’ve told about the situation when they have mentioned the Ritzy, and also from somebody who is currently an employee of Picturehouse, and has said they are very happy in their job.

    A busy person, possibly with a family, a demanding full time job maybe, might hear about the strike. They might even take the trouble to look up what the strike is all about. They might even read the Picturehouse side of the story and decide that with the living wage at £10.20, Picturehouse staff receiving between £9.40 and £9.99 an hour* with a number of other associated benefits including discounted food, free drinks and popcorn, free cinema tickets and late night working allowance, that actually, while it would be great if they got the living wage, it isn’t something that I am prepared to get up and fight because I have other concerns. They might think that they get paid better than lots of other businesses in the area with better benefits (even just any benefits), they might think that it’s zero hours and Amazon style workers that really need people to stand up for them. They might do a sponsored bike ride for people with debilitating illnesses, work in a soup kitchen or do some other form of community work. At the end of the week, when somebody suggests going to see a movie or tells everybody to meet at the Ritzy, they might think ‘yeah’, that’s just what I need’. This of course doesn't even take into account those who don't know about the strike/dispute. Somebody I know who is very kind and does a lot of work for community groups in Crystal Palace suggested we go to see a film at the Ritzy. I told her about it, but she felt that while she sympathised, boycotting it was not something she was prepared to do (we didn't go in the end btw).

    They might equally say ‘let’s go and have a few lagers at the Ritzy and laugh at the workers’ (and yes, fuck those people). It seems that this is the default position for anybody who is not boycotting or even going down there to support them – or am I wrong? If so, please clarify.

    It’s the unwillingness to even consider that there are so many other mediating factors why somebody doesn’t actively support the strike which does your argument harm. Because somebody is in the former category doesn’t make them ‘right wing anti-worker’. And if you continue to apparently demonise people that might be in this category, because you cannot always (possibly never) infer somebody’s beliefs from their actions, then you are distracting yourself (and others) from the real issues and from fighting real right wing idiocy. Verging on crying wolf. And please do not infer from that that I am equating the dispute with an imaginary animal, you are bright enough to work out what I mean.

    And a disclaimer (again, because these tend to get ignored), before everybody piles on and tells me that these scenarios must be what I think because I typed them out, these are not all of the things that I think at all (I’ve already told you my position). But I have some thinking tools (that are freely available to all) to consider them. And as a thought experiment I am asking you to consider them rather than the apparent zero sum game of assuming everybody who doesn’t think what you think is a right wing troll.

    And if the posh looking blokes in your photo that keeps getting posted up were indeed laughing at the workers, then they are indeed cunts. But one of them might have gone home and told their partner about it and they may have decided not to go to the Ritzy again. You don’t know.

    *ETA: yes I am aware of this from the Picturehouse website but cannot comment on detail - it does not change the general thrust of the argument - 'Staff at The Ritzy Picturehouse London are represented by BECTU and agreed a rate of £9.10 per hour (equivalent to £9.70 with a paid break) from 2 September 2016'
     
  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Here's the post you liked. The one that blames the 'motherfucker' workers for, err, having to work.
     
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  10. discobastard

    discobastard ____*\(oo)/*____

    Yes I liked it and still do. 'Exaggerating for comic effect'. See my post. Stop using distraction.
     
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  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Who the fuck are you to say what his intention was?
     
  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Aka really means what he says. Its not exaggeration.
     
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  13. discobastard

    discobastard ____*\(oo)/*____

    How do you know that?

    Seriously.
     
  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    A. He liked Gramsci 's post where he made that exact point and
    B. You're the person asserting what he really meant so it's you that has to do the backing up here
     
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  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    AKA posts up regularly. I think he means what he says. Its based on seeing the way he posts.
     
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  16. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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