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Brixton Ritzy staff in pay dispute for London Living Wage with Picturehouse Cinemas

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Diverse coverage of the London Film Festival opening:
    Channel 8 (London Live) concentrating on the strike at 5 Cineworld cinemas (including the Ritzy) - with interview.
    Channel 103 (ITV London) exclusively going on about the stars flying into this magnificent world film festival - with interviews.

    Wondering what if anything will come up on BBC London if they can tear themselves away from cough sweet recommendations for Madam May.
     
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  2. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Brilliant stuff:

    Protests disrupt London Film Festival in cinema wage dispute
     
  3. Fingers

    Fingers From Tuscany SE22

  4. Fingers

    Fingers From Tuscany SE22

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    Fingers From Tuscany SE22

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    Fingers From Tuscany SE22

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  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    You got there before me Fingers

    Still going strong at 7pm.

    Btw Fingers and my photos are from Picture House Central. Picturehouse flagship art cinema in West End. Showing London Film festival films. Its the rival to Curzon Soho up the road who do pay Living Wage. 20171006_185747.jpg
     
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  10. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    If this is true then do they not already pay the london minimum wage?

    How much does Picturehouse pay its staff in London?

    Front of house staff at London Picturehouses are paid £9.30 per hour, equivalent to £9.92 per hour when working an 8 hour shift as we choose to pay for breaks. This means staff working an 8 hour shift, are paid for 8 hours but only work 7.5. The equivalent rate for time worked is thus £9.92 per hour.
     
  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    What do you think?

    PS It's the Living Wage they're after.
     
  12. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    In my view it's deceptive and dishonest of companies to say because you are paid for breaks your hourly pay is higher. When you are at work for 8 hours you should be paid for 8 hours.

    Today thousands of people will head into Oxford street area to work in retail. Many won't be paid for breaks. Hard busy work, on your feet all day. You need a break but If they all said we won't take a break and you can close the store at 4:30 rather than 5:00, how many managers would say OK? Not a single one. People are forced to take breaks so should always be paid for them.

    Of those same people I wonder how many get a LLW?
     
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  13. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I am currently out of the loop employment wise but surely the norm in everyday jobs is you get paid for "tea breaks" of 10-15 minutes morning and afternoon but not the "lunch break" of 30 minutes to 1 hour mid-day?

    Perhaps the Ritzy are muddying the waters here?

    Then there is always they situation where bigwigs are too important to take their lunch break so they can stay tied to their desks wage free as a gesture of bonus-inducing loyalty. Do Ritzy workers get a bonus perchance?
     
  14. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    I think that's about correct with breaks and payment but I think it's wrong for the reasons I say.

    I doubt many "bigwigs" are on an hourly wage.
     
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  15. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

    Paid tea breaks might be trade specific (and unpaid tea breaks for that matter). I think most office jobs would find the idea of a twice daily tea break odd. In fact, if I said to colleagues "I'm just off to sit in a comfy chair and have a cup of tea for 15 mins", they'd be shocked (as I would if they said it to me).
     
  16. Silas Loom

    Silas Loom Mum's primitive, acidic pear crumble (7,7)

    Office jobs are carried out in a comfy chair with a cup of tea by your side, though. That's not the case when you're manning a popcorn booth.
     
  17. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    Yes. I think like SpamMisery says it's trade specific. Physical jobs I've worked all had tea breaks, office jobs never. Never organised ones anyway.

    When I'm planning a project I generally budget the office people I work withs time for 5 hours a day. I find thats even a little bit ambitious.
     
  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Or standing on your feet all day working at the bar....
     
  19. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The dispute isn't only about the Living Wage. It's also about gaining right of Bectu to represent workers at the other sites (Hackney and Picturehouse Central ). Also to gain company sick pay and other benefits for all employees.

    At present only Ritzy is officially represented by Bectu.

    So I think aim of this strike action and picketing isn't only about Living Wage. It's also about Bectu in long term unionising and getting official recognition as the body that represents the Picture House workers across all Picturehouse cinemas.

    I would guess that Cineworld / Picturehouse wouldn't want this. At Hackney mge say they have set up staff group to discuss issues with mge so union is not necessary.

    The campaign puts at the forefront the Living Wage but there is more to it than that.
     
  20. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    Either I'm being stupid (ps but maybe you are)

    But...

    • The London Living Wage is currently £9.75 per hour. This covers all boroughs in Greater London.
     
  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Picture house is paying less. Unless you accept there argument about half hour break.

    Also pay rates across Picturehouse cinemas differ. Ritzy workers got pay increase for the Ritzy only.

    Curzon cinemas and BFI are accredited Living Wage employers. This is voluntary but more than just paying Living Wage. It means going through accreditatation process with Living Wage Foundation. I think that Bectu want Picturehouse to do this. It commits employer to increase pay when the Living Wage Foundation decides on an increase. So it's long term commitment.
     
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  22. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    On office jobs versus more physical jobs.

    Both can be equally exploitative.

    Had friend who got (quite good) office job. They had (officially) a hour lunch break. She found that a lot of people in office worked through it. Eating at there desk as they worked.

    She found that and was told that having a "flexible" working attitude went with the job. Showing right kind of "commitment".

    She left after a while.

    Not all manual jobs get proper breaks. Delivery / passenger car jobs have a lunch is for wimps work culture.



    There are sectors of economy where there are "official" positions on breaks etc but the actual practice is somewhat different.
     
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  23. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You said minimum wage. That's not the same as the London Living Wage.
     
  24. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    Well technically the London minimum wage is the same as the national minimum wage.

    But I meant to say London living wage. And my point still stands
     
  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    No it doesn't. For reasons explained in recent posts.
     
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  27. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    No you are not quite getting it.

    The national minimum wage is national. It applies over the nation

    The London minimum wage is the same because London is in the nation

    The London living wage is different.

    If I am incorrect then am happy to apologise
     
  28. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    I agree both can be exploitive but your example of your friends office role is so lacking detail it isn't actually saying anything. I can't draw any conclusions from it.
     
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  29. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This is open forum. I'm not going to put to many details. And its not the only example I have.

    I don't think I m saying as anything that out of the ordinary.

    Bosses try to get the most out of those who work for them. I would think that is something posters can agree on.

    It's hardly controversial.
     
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  30. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    In general bosses do try to get the most out of those who work for them. That is not the same as being exploitative. They might be exploitative and they might not. You seem to be mixing terminology to make a point.
     
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