Brixton Police Brutality -
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layabout said:
you don't live in reality.
sufilala said:
the fact that he was miles away from home is ground at 1am is ground enough for a strong complaint. how the fuck is he meant to comply to an exclusion order if he was not handed back to his mother? he could have been rearrested back on the estate.
The only time my 17 year old gets 'mouthy' is when he is on the other end of injustice.
He's a great person with many talents, does what he is told, is polite, respectful. Goes to college, works with children at weekends.
He got issued some kind of notice by the police for sitting on some steps outside his friend's flat at 10pm. Not rowdy just talking and rapping on the steps.
Anyway, the point is he isn't in pubs drinking alcohol, taking drugs, robbing or killing people, he is just living his life
Don't we all want to challenge unjust treatment?
The other day he was going to a recruitment agency in the west end, unsure of the street he needed he tried to ask a passer-by for directions, he chose a guy in a suit with a briefcase, quite young - the guy put his hand out and said 'no' before my son could even get the words "Excuse me do you know where ..... is"
Youths are being demonised and events such as these make it very difficult for them to stay positive, calm and quiet.
He's a great person with many talents, does what he is told, is polite, respectful. Goes to college, works with children at weekends.
He got issued some kind of notice by the police for sitting on some steps outside his friend's flat at 10pm. Not rowdy just talking and rapping on the steps.
Anyway, the point is he isn't in pubs drinking alcohol, taking drugs, robbing or killing people, he is just living his life
Don't we all want to challenge unjust treatment?
The other day he was going to a recruitment agency in the west end, unsure of the street he needed he tried to ask a passer-by for directions, he chose a guy in a suit with a briefcase, quite young - the guy put his hand out and said 'no' before my son could even get the words "Excuse me do you know where ..... is"
Youths are being demonised and events such as these make it very difficult for them to stay positive, calm and quiet.
montevideo
New Member
sufilala said:thanks all for advice, especially DBoy & TJay!
Unfortunately, It seems that the popo are within their rights to treat my kid like this because he was 'mouthy' with them.
so the story that he's telling me, is in fact the same as what the cops are saying, as i mentioned in the first post,
(lyabout, tjug, take note and fuck off back to nimby land pls, haters!)
paying up the fine is not really the issue - although £80 for fuck all is a lot to lose from the family budget,
my real concern with speaking up is that the lad will get a rep with individual cops or generally with Brixton Police that will encourage further victimisation or reprisals, which he does not need,
DB - I really appreciate all that info - i guess you are a member of OB, so sorry to be a bit hostile (it's amazing how many abusive epithets you can come up with for police when you put yr mind to it - i was quite restrained actually!!!) this is really upsetting, not so much for me as the young'un who has been doing good recently & doesnt deserve this shit.
what i've been advised is that there should be records of the incident with the CJunit? will i be able to see them or do i have to take the case to court before the records would be released (which would seem to make the appeals process a little inaccessible)?
as far as being stopped due the exclusion zone thingy - should that not only apply to groups?? our lad was definitely on his own.
So far we're keen to take the case to the court - the boy should be able to get some justice - even if the court wants to spank him in the end! I'm just concerned about financial implications.
as far as complaints go:
i do NOT want to let the arresting officers know that the case may be contested, so definitely not going to see the DI, & i hope the CJU is not in Brixton nick?
funnily enough, i know the chair of the IPCC personally, which doesn't give me much hope for them being able to do a lot....
Aurora - I think some estates are subject to this sort of Public Order Exclusion thing (Martial Law?), i don't know much more than that, i'm not too keen to mention which estate publicly.
Was he wearing a hood? more than likely, still don't mean he have to be nicked.
Does anyone know of anyone whose been to court to appeal a SEC5POA???
what are the possible outcomes?
& thanks again all!
peace & love!
sufi
i have a friend who's going through the process now. Two things to remember: your son has not actually committed an offence, he hasn't done anything wrong, indeed if he had done something unlawful he would have been charged with it.
I would suggest to seriously consider taking this to court. Your right paying the fine is not the issue, it is about the police having to justify their behaviour.
If you get the fixed penalty notice overturned you are within your rights to sue the police for both unlawful detention & false imprisonment.
Stobart Stopper
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I would like to know, from the posters lecturing and riding the high horse on this thread, how many of actually have children of your own? You wasn't there, you don't know the circumstances, how old the boy is. All I know is, when something like this happens to your kid, you get wound up. Like I wanted to punch the little fuck's head in who robbed my son a few weeks ago.
Stobart Stopper said:
No sorry Stobs. I may not have children yet, but what I do know is this. When little Layabout junior comes home way late and he tells me the police were involved, the little cunt will quickly learn the police are the least of his problems. Then by God he'll never fucking be lippy to the police again. Problem sorted. The police don't ever have to waste their time with me and my family. Issue over and fucking done with. You wouldn't catch me driving the police nuts , trying to turn a minor event into a global fucking UN issue. Moral of the story kiddies, don't be lippy to your elders, especially your parents and the old bill.
Furthermore, if I found that my child had been in the company of other children when getting into trouble with the police, he would be getting himself new friends to knock about with.
Stobart Stopper
Well-Known Member
Yes? Well let me tell you this: I know my husband is in the job but a large number of the 'puppies' as we call them, they don't know their arse from their elbow these days. I am not saying they are all like this, there are some excellent ones out there doing a fucking hard job with little or no thanks.But some need, shall we say, a little more 'guidance' than others.layabout said:
Like I said, I wasn't there, you wasn't there. You are assuming the boy was in some gang or some sort of disturbance.
Stobart Stopper said:
This thread was about, and I quote: 'Brixton Police Brutality'
However, it now transpires that, in fact, said police did not do anything that can even vaguely be construed as 'Brutality'
In fact, and ironically the thread has actually had input from the police thanks to detective-boy which has been polite, reasoned and helpful. Not a whiff of this so-called brutality to be found anywhere.
So, who is really doing the lecturing and high-horsey riding?
I have one child by the way and I'm naturally very protective...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
What if it's the parents/elders/police that are in the wrong on a given occasion? Or would you assert that this simply NEVER happens? Do you believe that what matters isn't the rights and wrongs or injustices of a situation so much as what the status of each person involved is? IE: the person in authority is ALWAYS right becasue of the position?layabout said:
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
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aurora green
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guinnessdrinker said:
This is what gets me. Infact, it doesn't seem to makes sense. There seems to be an inconsistancy on the part of the police.
layabout said:
That was more or less how it was when I was a child/teenager. A police officer knocking the door complaining about one's behaviour would have meant the police were the very least of one's worries. (Especially with my mother). The consequence was neither I, my brothers or my sister ever had any hassles with the police.
tobyjug said:
Trouble is Toby, for many of us around here, a brush with the police was always entirely a negative experience. That's not just the children, but the parents and adults - the police used to hassle them all equally in years gone by.
Things are better now, but it's going to take generations to rebuild that trust. Let's not have this ridiculous fantasy that all police are somehow worthy of respect now, despite the distasteful and discriminatory actions of many coppers not that long ago.
layabout said:
we are trying to have an intelligent debate. I am not being personal towards you.
Stobart Stopper said:
you might feel like like punching that fucker and I would as well if I had a son who was robbed, but police officers are not meant to act on their feeling but according to the law, as your husband has surely been told.
fanta said:
this might suggest it is about legal police brutality. the police do have handcuffs that if you resist ever so slightly because you're angry at the perceived injustice being committed, they tighten further, but the police does not tell you that when they arrest you. also detective boy is no longer in the police and appears to critical of their practice.
LD Rudeboy said:
You have 2 people stood in front of you. One is a police officer, as you admit, a fucking professional, the other is a CHILD. Sorry but unless the child has WITNESSES you go with the word of the police officer.
No one is saying the child can't be right and the copper can't be wrong, but in the absence of independent witnesses, you have to go with the police officer.
Fuck me, you're being totally irrational. You are saying that in society, police officers are less trustworthy than children.
What's you're solution to fighting crime? Let the kids patrol the fucking streets after school?
Unbelivable.
lol
"RUDEBOY ELECTED PRIME MINISTER"
Rudeboy has been elected PM in a landslide victory. His first mission, is to dismantle all professions and organisations that have any authority on anything. Apparantly they attract bullies PM Rudeboy said this morning on the steps of No 10.
"RUDEBOY ELECTED PRIME MINISTER"
Rudeboy has been elected PM in a landslide victory. His first mission, is to dismantle all professions and organisations that have any authority on anything. Apparantly they attract bullies PM Rudeboy said this morning on the steps of No 10.
