Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Jun 21, 2018.
Is he still got two shops there?
When pubs can go for far more as flats than as pubs it's no surprise people cash in, for example in 1998 the Acton Arms on Kingsland Road was sold for development into flats by the landlord for £250,000 - he was well into his 70s, so closure had been on the cards for a while. If he'd sold it on as a pub, it'd have gone for about £90,000. And it's not like the only pubs to have gone were poorly used. Up Downham Road was the trafalgar. Bring a pretty busy pub didn't save it from closure, demolition and transformation into flats. Support is no guarantee of longevity
I’m not sure. I haven’t been there for a few years now. I hope so.
That is a simplistic and rather silly generalisation. Do you believe in the concept of that some items can be collectable and valuable, despite them being "old" or "used"? Or do you only apply such philosophy to certain items only, while dismissing other objects you don't like personally or that are sold by retailers you don't have time for as a rip-off extravagance for fools with more money than sense?
I'll ask you the same question I asked Editor. If you saw a first edition book from the 1950s, say by Agatha Christie, Graham Greene or similar, in the window of a venerable secondhand bookshop in Brixton for £50, would also deride it as a rip-off? At the end of the day you could buy a used paperback of the same novel that's only ten years old for a quid. Why pay more for an older book?
Would you describe people who collect early and first edition books as "I saw you coming" types then? Or vinyl record collectors, many of whom will pay prices for early pressings of records that might seem an absurd and extravagant rip-off to others. Or many other things, from clothes to accessories to art to countless others.
I agree with you. My point is please don’t use a pub you never drank to lament the Brixton that is lost
It is an example of the brixton that is lost as much as the green man up the great North Road where it crosses the North circ - which I never drank in - is an example of the finchley we have lost.
No. The Railton Road corner one was a victim of the arches refurbishment. I think he was originally planning to move back in bit fuck knows what is happening there. Apparently the units are available as Xmas pop ups...
No, it just illustrates the point about how Granville Market, which was a popular and affordable market for all locals, is turning into a place that primarily caters to the needs of well-off foodies, hipsters, champagne quaffers and now people looking to invest in expensive collectables. And that is a reflection about how gentrification is changing the area and turning community places into the province of those who can afford them.
And the truth is, if anyone else had made the same point as me, you would have reacted differently.
It was only 'half empty' when the developers were trying to run the place down. I've got plenty of pictures of the market from 10-15-20 years ago when it was anything but half empty. I can post some up if you like.
tbh I miss a lot of places all over London I've never set foot in.
Great stuff in that shop, but my word some of it was well pricey.
One got shut when they did the refurb of the arches - not sure if it is back yet. I've stopped going to Herne Hill market, as Jacob's Ladder stopped selling meat and the bloke who did Medieval Bread got usurped by the Post Office Bakery.
I guess it comes down to the definition of community. the people who used the old Granville arcade were part of the community at that time but the stalls supplying them were businesses, the people using the market now are arguably still a community but of a different socio-economic class with different businesses supplying them. this is not to disagree with your overarching point that a big section of residents in Brixton have been marginalised and forced elsewhere by rampant unchecked capitalism that has no care for the idea of community and only cares about margins and not the marginalised
I agree, but a lot of the people using the market now are tourists, who only come into Brixton for the food/booze/craic and make no community connections, much like what happened to poor old Camden.
Some pics from last night's mellow but enjoyable Newschool night at the Dog.
In photos: Tom Gortler and Elizza perform at Newschool at the Dogstar, Thurs 8th Nov 2018
sadly it seems to be the same everywhere, I had a stall at Spitalfields market for years before it was redeveloped and that whole area was changed beyond belief with most of us who had helped to save the market being forced out by a combination of higher rents and smaller units and thus it became a tourist destination with the local community who used it being forced to go elsewhere while the new monied/tourists found it edgy and vibrant. As for Camden I reckon the locals (what's left of them) must lament what has happened to their community
He’s got a shop on Dulwich Rd in the old florists. His old shop was on the corner in one of the arches and is still being worked on by Network Rail. Moses told me they’ve found a lot of structural problems.
I’m currently sitting on a leather sofa we bought from Bleu 15 years ago. Around the same time we bought a leather chair, a glass and chrome coffee table and a large wine rack which is affectionately known as the “Nazi wine cage”. I think the whole lot came to about a grand. All still going strong.
I walked through Camden recently while walking the towpath from Kings Cross to Regents Park. Bloody hell it’s grim.
IMO there should be 2 exits from the tube. Residents and non residents. Those coming through the non-residents channel “for the food/booze/craic” with no intention of making a “community connection” should be marched back down the escalator and returned to where they came from.
Apologies for tardy response but regards this
I had taken liquor, but I was responding to what I took to be an insinuation of deliberately misogynistic bullying behaviour, and struggled to think of any other misogynistic bullies at that time so went for the first high profile misogynist to hand
This is a loaded question because we are talking of a specific occasion and there is fuck all context being applied, there may well be many factors at play on the night in question that have not been mentioned, I am not on first name terms with Mr Sharpe but know him well enough and the circles he moves in to be confident in saying intimidating a female in any situation would be completely out of character. In fact this why I felt the need to make the post you quoted as IMHO making such insinuations on a public forum where the person being talked about cannot reply is irresponsible and could be damaging to a persons reputation even if such insinuations are untrue.
I wasn't romanticising it. Nor I have inferred it was "picturesque".
This came up with the Harry Enfield sketch. A regular on his show.
As I posted I was in West London this week and the sketch is still spot on. Met people who could have been it it.
Given what you are saying his making fun of these people is simplistic and silly generalisation.
I do serious posts here, which are ignored. I also come here to let off steam. So following Harry Enfield I will have a laugh at s shop selling over priced second hand furniture.
Its not like I have never done anything to try to stop the gentrification of Brixton. I've just got email from Lambeth planning giving permission for yet another bar/ restaurant in Brixton. Which I had opposed. I've never just sat here and "bemoaned" whats been happening to Brixton as a certain poster has implied.
Having a laugh is necessary sometimes. The same criticisms levelled at me can be levelled at Harry Enfield.
Its an old sketch but sadly still relevant.
To add I really hope whats happened to Brixton doesn't happen to Loughborough Junction. The Hero of Switzerland is likely to suffer same fate as Canterbury Arms.
Owners redeveloping site as block of flats. In theory a new bar on ground floor.
Hero is pub I use so I can't be accused of just "bemoaning" its loss.
The Grove adventure playground is under threat from redevelopment.
Still the large number of Council tenants don't make this area so easily target for gentrification as Brixton. Them being vocal they don't want change. Good imo.
Quite right. The same should of course also apply to Londoners and indeed everyone else ever intending to leisurely visit other cities on a short break. I mean, imagine going to Paris or Amsterdam or Rome for a weekend and daring to explore any given area of the city of an afternoon without having previously made careful plans to ensure a meaningful engagement with the local community during the four hours you're going to spend there. The height of inconsideration.
This has happened in Barcelona.
Good posts but you are wasting your time on Retro.
Barcelona is being torn apart by tourism but almost all of the problems are being caused by the explosion of rBnB apartments that have changed the fabric of many neighbourhoods by displacing locals and pushing up rents.
Tourism per se, so long as it does not reach the uncontrolled excess numbers seen in Venice, is for the most part largely beneficial to many cities. The traditional hotel-based short.break tourism big cities like London receive every year is a vital source of income. And more to the point suggested upthread, it seems ludicrous to me to suggest tourists on a short visit to a given neighbourhood of a city should engage with the local community for two or three hours they’re going to be there, whatever that might mean. Never mind the issue of what exactly the tourists could do in such short period of time to achieve it.
So your post 1736 wasnt to be taken literally.
Your now saying Barcelona is being torn apart by tourism.
And Venice has to many.
So tourism isn't simple straightforward good thing.
Interesting article here.
'Tourists go home, refugees welcome': why Barcelona chose migrants over visitors
Barcelona welcomes refugees not tourists.
Like Brixton people feel they are being pushed out by rising prices/ rents.
Like Brixton a lot of people like living with people from other countries/ cultures.
Its why I like living in Loughborough Junction now. Its still multicultural as its cheaper than Brixton.
Btw the article ends with several other European cities who aren't happy with effects of tourism. So its not just a couple of cities.
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