Brixton news, rumours and general chat - September 2017

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Sep 1, 2017.

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  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Indeed it is, but my reluctance to hand over £15 to a private company just to get into a bar remains box fresh.

    This is worth a read too:
  2. David Clapson

    David Clapson Well-Known Member

    A random question from reddit? If that's all that the country's leading fomenter of pointless arguments can come up with, I think the case for Validate UK is proven.
  3. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Massive deja vu here, have you been advertising this service on these boards before perchance?
  4. jimbarkanoodle

    jimbarkanoodle Well-Known Member

    I dont take it too personally if im asked for I.D by a bouncer sub contracted to work the night on the door of a venue because the owners have been told they have to by the police and the council. Im sure the owners would rather not turn away valid punters because of the stupid rule either. Its no bother to me to carry around a shitty little drivers license in my wallet, even if i dont drive, and at times can just be downright hilarious to be asked for it at the ripe old age of 31.

    Its the kids i feel sorry for. I remember strolling into seminal nightclubs such as Camden Palace and Turnmills at the age of 16, without even being blinked at. Those nightclubs made me who i am today, kids these days would hardly stand a chance!
  5. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    I've been asked for id at plan b and they accepted a debit card tbh
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  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Not sure when that was, but they were advertising Photo ID as necessary for some time.
  7. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Regents canal has changed a lot. I was up at "Granary Square" last Friday. The new development north of Kings Cross. That part of canal has had the full on gentrification treatment. I can see this "hot tub" idea doing alright up there. It was packed with people up there. All looking like the ones in the hot tub photos London has changed. And not for the better imo.

    When I was up at Granary Square saw adverts for " canal living" . New expensive flats for the rich.

    This "entrepreneurial" concept of hot tubs floating in the gentrified canal is good business concept to cater for needs of the rich scum now taking over central London. It's worth a prize.
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  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Seems it's not universally welcomed because of fraud concerns so that would be £15 down the drain for some.
  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Let's hire a boat that makes a tidal wave as it passes them :D
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  10. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    I'm sure that's right, sometimes you can haggle a bit though - at the end of the day the management doesn't want the door staff to turn away too many paying customers
  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The Prince of Wales is very strict these days - even for the downstairs pub part on Thursday nights. It sucks. :(

    I'm pretty sure haggling won't work with any of the photo ID scanning joints anymore.
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  12. jimbarkanoodle

    jimbarkanoodle Well-Known Member

    The bouncers at the POW are decent people, but its run very much by the book. I guess their hands are tied sort of thing.
  13. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    They are indeed - they're some of the nicest bouncers I've ever encountered.
  14. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Last time I went to Phonox (ex Plan B) they were demanding ID from everyone, apart from me and my mates.
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  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    How come you were exempt?
  16. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    I must say I'm not particularly concerned about the venue storing an image of my ID- certainly not from the angle that they might do something untoward with it. However, I wonder how safe their computers really are from hackers, who of course would have far less noble intentions if they obtained people's ID details. When we had a work do in a posh terrace bar in central London, the venue said they store it for three months. That's a rather long period of time.
  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus


    Oh how I loved playing with these fabulously rubbish sound effects in the Grosvenor's DJ booth. They should be made compulsory on all DJ decks, IMO.
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  18. colacubes

    colacubes Well-Known Member

    I was reminiscing about those very decks just the other day :D
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  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Those sound effects were magnificent, especially when applied when there was a particularly earnest person on the mic :D
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  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Three months is standard. Some buildings I go into in central London store my photo and details for longer. They aren't supposed to I think but don't wipe them. I know as I go back a lot later and it's still on computer. Data protection imo is pretty lax.

    The reason they keep them for three months is in case police want to have a look. And data protection is supposed to mean they can't keep them for longer. This storage of your personal data isn't just about proving age.

    It's also intelligence resource for police.

    Its getting all to common to have recorded on computer where you go and when. I think it's intrusive and largely unnecessary.
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  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It's possible to go out for a night around town and end up with your details on 2, 3 or maybe more private databases. Venues should be compelled to list the scanning software used and details of exactly runs then, and what data is shared and with whom.
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  22. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Not Brixton - but relevant to constant complaints on here about ID requirements.

    BBC have now introduced ID requirement for attending recording of their shows:

    **Please note that photographic ID is now required for entry to ALL recordings. Visit our FAQs to see what is accepted.**

    Valid forms of ID are:

    Driving licence
    Biometric Residents permit
    Citizen card
    Validate UK ID card
    HM Forces ID card
    Student card
    Police warrant card

    It seems if you want to attend a recording of "Just a Minute" or something like that you now need a driving license or a passport.

    Photo Oyster card/Disability passes etc not accepted it looks like.

    I would be delighted if someone challenged this in court - its getting like a Police State, even to attend free events laid on by the BBC!
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  23. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  24. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    well it puts me off even trying to go out in Brixton these days. I refuse to take out my valuable passport and even if did I would refuse to have it scanned and stored by god knows who, of whom I have no guarentee of their fitness to hold such info or keep it securely and confidentially.

    Our parliament voted against the introduction of ID cards yet here we have a local council and police demanding it. It should be illegal.
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  25. shifting gears

    shifting gears Well-Known Member

  26. lefteri

    lefteri Well-Known Member

    Ah shucks how did I miss this? Am away too - damnation
  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This is one of the problems. Owners of buildings can set there own rules on who can enter a building.

    Ive had this problem recently. Went to office block in City. Company booked me in. Arrived and security wouldn't let me in. I showed company ID. Security had my name as the company in building had booked me in. Security said company ID not good enough.

    Security at another building told me police come around and give "advice" . Ie tell them to insist on passports as ID.

    It's. back door way to gradually make ID cards necessary to just go about ones everyday business.

    As someone I worked with said they didn't go this far when IRA were bombing London. Also if ur suicide bomber you wouldn't care if someone had your ID.

    Its all gradual move to make ID compulsory. I agree with friendofdorothy the ID scheme was dropped due to public opposition. And some politicians.
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  28. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    In the case of the BBC, believe it or not the bookings of audiences for TV and radio shows is done by C(R)APITA.

    This season entry to the Proms has become very tedious - queueing even for season ticket holders and all bags searched.
    Season tickets have photos on them - but as far as I know no other ticket holders are required to provide photo ID.
    No doubt that pleasure will come in due course!
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  29. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

    Isn't that one of the benefits of owning the building? Why wouldn't the company you visited get to decide who does and does not enter their building?
  30. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    Find the name of the company who's service they are using and read their privacy statement.

    They have a legal duty to fairly process your data, including only using it for the purpose they've obtained it for.

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