Brixton news, rumours and general chat: Autumn - Winter 2018-19

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  1. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    And just a note on the New Park Road scheme. This was supposed reduce/calm traffic around Richard Atkins Primary School (where there's loads of kids, shops, pubs etc) - but it didn't work because they didn't take an "area wide approach" , i.e. reduce traffic using it as a rat run/cut through. They could have made it one way, or filtered the traffic to make drivers use the south circular then turn left onto Brixton Hill, but in the end what we got was a narrowed road with a load of coloured circles painted on the road. And it doesn't work. It's still a rat run, it still has loads of traffic, it's still dangerous for the kids to cross the road....

    I mean, there isn't even a zebra crossing FFS - right outside a primary school!

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  2. sparkybird

    sparkybird ask the bird...

    I would sat it's potentially even more dangerous as drivers slalom through the bends trying to make it to the passing point before the car coming in the opposite direction..
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  3. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

    All those colours and shapes make the road look like a playground...
  4. xsunnysuex

    xsunnysuex Life is a horizontal fall.

    Has the community fridge been stopped? Just took a few Pret items to leave there. And it had a chain and padlock around it. :confused:
  5. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Thanks for explanation.

    Makes me wonder if plan to make Brixton livable neighborhood will mean more traffic around my area LJ. If traffic will just clog up other roads around Brixton.

    In LJ preventing traffic coming into LJ by road closures/ road alterations in Herne Hill rather than blocking off Loughborough road was suggested by local residents. Feeling was this wouldn't happen as the middle classes wouldn't accept it. So the "experiment" was imposed exclusively on the working class bit of LJ.

    I still think there is a class issue here. Its not that British people won't accept it. Its that it disproportionately affects the less well off.

    Its highly unlikely that better public transport will parallel this livable neighborhood idea for example.
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  6. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Seemed to be an EDL demo going on just now outside Phone Corner, just north of the tube entrance.

    Some guys back to back wearing Anonymous masks and holding flat screen monitors. Two presentations going on when I walked past were "Burnley 2017" and "Halal Slaughter House".

    Seems slightly incredible to me that these people would pitch up in Brixton, but there they were.

    Personally I prefer the demented street preachers, but possibly we may be info more of this creepy video fascism.
  7. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter Home is south London mate

    Are they still there?
  8. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It's a pro vegan demo. I did a feature on Buzz a while ago about them.
  9. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

  10. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    This Animal Aid article answers my question
    Seems that these people are anti Halal for animal rights reasons and Burnley was the site of a slaughter house exposé in 2017.
    My apologies for implied association with Mr Yaxley-Lennon.
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  11. thebackrow

    thebackrow Active Member

    Makes me wonder if there's anything you couldn't see as being a class issue and persecution of the people of Loughborough Junction....

    I just checked via the map from Map of car ownership levels by ward and it's 70% of households in Coldharbour Ward don't own a car. If you’re not white van man then having a car in London is a luxury - (and many of the jobs that are done by van don’t need one - I know a builder who gets a taxi with his tools at the start of the job, gets all materials delivered and rides his scooter to site each day). The poorest people simply don't own cars.

    Brixton already has the best public transport in South London and I’d guess nowhere within the Liveable neighborhood area is more than a 10 minute walk from a tube or rail station. There are some gaps in the bus network, and it can be slow, but what holds buses up is people driving their cars - so again, if you want better public transport you need to limit that. Tubes and trains are crowded but it’s hugely expensive to expand, but if you can free up some of the seats on current services by getting those people to cycle instead you’ve effectively expanded capacity (apparently that's why the first cycle superhighway followed the Northern Line route)
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  12. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    edl vs pro vegan, easy mistake to make !

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  13. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Quotes didn't work. Very difficult to use.
  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    You start by taking a swipe at me about seeing everything as a class issue then proceed to tell me what I already know about how the poor don't own cars.

    So the argument you are putting forward is what? That livable neighborhood idea is not class issue?
  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This is Urban75. Seeing things as class issue isn't that exceptional here. Except on Brixton Forum where I have to justify it.

    Your comment is the kind that caused the negative reaction to road closures in LJ. For example I remember being at meeting on the Loughborough Estate. It was packed with residents of the estate shouting at Council and LJAG they didn't want the road closures.

    Its not me seeing everything as class issue and seeing everything as persecuting the working class in LJ. Im reporting what I saw at meetings and what people have said to me. Listening to people.
  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Sorry this isn't good enough.

    If ordinary people are to be expected to use public transport then it should be improved.

    To say that Livable neighborhood is great idea then say sorry but improving tubes and trains is to expensive so instead cycle is a wind up.

    If a move to more green and planet friendly transport is a good idea ( which I think it is as cyclist} then saying improving improving public transport is to expensive is bollocks argument.
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  17. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I know several "white van" men. For them life is getting more difficult. With traffic calming etc journey times are increasing. They don't get paid more if it takes longer. The ULEZ is coming in. Chatting to one White Van man I know. He can't afford to get a new van. The company he works for won't pay the surcharge when ULEZ comes in. So effectively he has a pay cut. Another white van man I know rents his vehicle off the company. They are getting rid of it due to extra cost of ULEZ. They told him to go off and get his own vehicle. Like he can afford it.:rolleyes:

    Given the reality of work in London its not wonder ordinary workers feel hard done by with green measures.
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  18. thebackrow

    thebackrow Active Member

    Maybe I’m just missing your point.

    How does stopping rat running through residential streets and improving walking and cycling conditions “disproportionally affect the less well off” when very few of the less well off even own cars (proportionatly far less that the better off)?

    “If ordinary people are expected to use public transport”. Everyone but the hyper-rich use public transport in London already - What improvements to public transport do you want to see? What do you think is needed for the Brixton area? Brixton Rail station is grim but is about to be refurbed. A station on the ginger line at Brixton East would be great but is supposedly very difficult and expensive (but I thought the council are still campaigning for it).

    The Liveable Neighbourhood funding TfL announced, London wide, was £50m. Northern Line/Jubilee line extensions cost over £2-300m *per mile*. Yes, improving tubes and trains is expensive - you get a better "return on investment" from walking and cycling (and that's before you think about pollution, carbon emissions, etc etc)
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  19. DietCokeGirl

    DietCokeGirl All lost in the supermarket

    That's capitalism and shitty employment practices they should feel hard done by, not enviromental measures.
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  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I don't follow your argument.

    Your asking me what improvements to transport I want then telling me that its too expensive. So its more "cost effective " to make people walk. Its this kind of attiude that iirritates me. A move to greener transport is necessary. It needs proper investment.

    The first quote is from my reply to Brixton Hatter. The context was that the experiment in road closures could have been done in the middle class section of area. That was suggested as alternative. Council didnt take that seriously. So its hardly surprising when locals from estate feel its just being imposed on them.

    The LJ scheme was a kind of livable neighborhoods concept. People on eatate felt it would increase likelihood of gentrification

    In LJ closing the two rat runs (Gordon Grove and Padfield st) were good idea. They could have been done separately to LJAG inspired plans. As they were linked to LJAG plans the Council ended up giving up on them.

    So if smaller changes are brought not linked to contentious ideas like making LJ a destination they are more likely to succeed. In fact in LJ near school this was done sone time ago. Its accepted.
  21. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I seem to recall suggesting making short section of Hinton Road from the Green Man to the filling station pedestrianised. This could have been done as an "experiment" to gauge efficacy and local opinion.

    My recollection was that the greening of Loughborough Road started as an experiment, but it wasn't really an experiment and this is what led to outcry on the Loughborough Estate.

    My feeling is that the object should have been to discourage commuter traffic - and inserting a "kink" in the route - including by definition an extra set of traffic lights might have done the trick. As they didn't try it we won't know unless they do.
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  22. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The State, has has been seen in last economic crisis, plays an important role in keeping capitalism going. It underwrote and saved capitalism during the last economic crisis. It provide the legal and institutional framework for it to operate.

    An example of workers contesting green measures is Uber drivers Union threatening to take the Mayor Sadiq to judicial review over starting to charge Uber drivers the congestion charge.

    Mayor says he is going to do this for environmental reasons. To discourage private hire drivers from central London. Numbers have increased and they cause congestion and pollution.

    The drivers say they already have a hard time making a living with Uber now the local state the Mayor Sadiq is giving them another cut in their income.

    They are saying that Mayors environmental policy is against equality legislation.

    Public authorities are expected to consider impact on equalities in policies they put in place.

    So yes Capitalism is the underlying issue but as we have to live under it then I don't criticize low paid workers for contesting how environmental policies effect them directly.

    For many people I know the state or local state is seen as just as oppressive as an employer. This is not irrational. As last economic crisis showed the state and local state ( Councils / Mayors) are fully implicated in Capitalism. Even if they present themselves as the good guys.

    Uber drivers are suing Sadiq Khan for racial discrimination
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  23. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

    Lembit Öpik was in Brixton doing a straight to camera piece around 1pm today...

    As I walked past he was saying something about 'this disease in society'

    Knife crime?

    What does he even do these days?
  24. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Did he have the Cheeky girls with him?
  25. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

    Nah. He had shit shoes on.
  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    How disappointing


  27. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

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  28. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Will it be on Russia Today? He is sometimes on "Going Underground" which goes out on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. Going Underground

    (Trigger warning - last Saturday's episode might be disturbing to those of a liberal disposition. Former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad giving his thoughts.)
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  29. theboris

    theboris Well-Known Member

  30. technical

    technical stripey

    Bloody hell, that is tragic.
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