Brixton news, rumours and general chat: Autumn 2019

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. editor

    editor hiraethified

  2. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    In my opinion, in Dulwich and West Norwood, the "so called pact" is all about the personal vanity of co-leader of the Green Party, Jonathan Bartley, wanting to have the status of being a big beast even though he hasn't a hope in hell of winning the seat.

    Plenty of Lib Dem members in Coldharbour, Gipsy Hill, Herne Hill and Thurlow Park (and the Southwark bits of D&WN) were very annoyed that their young, gifted and black PPC Ade Fatukasi was displaced to give Jonathan Bartley a clear run as part of the national deal.
    (Ade is now standing in Lewisham East instead)

    If I lived in D&WN, I suspect I would find myself voting for Helen Hayes rather than Jonathan Bartley.
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  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I like Bartley.

    I do think the Remain Alliance is a mistake for the Greens. Listening to the 10 PM news on radio four and ther was report on the TV debate this evening.

    The Green party representative said that they disagreed with LD position of Revoke article 50.

    So as Ive posted before the Green party position is more similar to Labour party nationally.A second referendum. The Greens have more in common with Corbyn Labour than with LDs. In Lambeth Labour voters like me would vote Green at local elections and for Corbyn at national. Due to Lambeth still being run by New Labour. I will be voting Labour at this national election due to Corbyn.

    I'm no great fan of Helen Hayes. She is not a Corbyn supporter.

    I think Bartley / Lambeth Greens should have run on local issues. The resented estate "regeneration" policies. etc.

    Hayes hasn't been publicly critical of the New Labour Lambeth Council.

    So in short I think Lambeth Greens do a good job.

    I can't stand Swinson.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
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  4. clandestino

    clandestino no llevar papel

    This is idiotic on so many levels. HH had a solid majority at the last GE - 39,069 votes compared to 4,475 for the LDs and 1,408 for the Greens - so it's wishful thinking of the LD/G pact's part to think they can unseat her. And then, as you quite rightly say, she's a clear remain voter, which is surely what the LDs claim their most important policy/position is. So why are they going against her?

    Why? Because of this: "For Tory lite politicians like Swinson a left government is worse than Brexit. Swinson and LDs will do everything to stop Brexit except work with a left leader of Labour party."

    Also the Greens might have consulted this before going up against HH.
    Guardian climate score: how did your MP do?

    She has a 100% record of voting for Green issues. She's on their side. Fucking muppets. They're being taken for a ride by the LDs.

    I live in WN, and I'll be voting the same way as last time - for HH and Labour.
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  5. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Your first paragraph makes total sense. But your ultimate conclusion says more about you that about the Lib Dems or Greens.

    Looking at this from an informed but peripheral point of view, I imagine the dynamic went something like this:
    Lib Dems been plugging away at Streatham and Dulwich and West Norwood for forty years, but with no sign of a breakthrough.
    For historical reasons I don't understand the Lib Dems in the Southwark part of DAWN have been more resilient, whereas on the Lambeth side only Knights Hill ward has ever been Lib Dem, and one seat in Coldharbour, but this was 25 years ago.

    On the other hand, the Greens regard DAWN as a target because they have a councillor in Herne Hill and one in Gypsy Hill.

    I don't know what the dynamic was in doing the Remain Alliance deal, but I can see why the Lib Dems might have felt a able to stand down in DAWN in favour of the Greens. Though I said earlier in this discussion that it would have been interesting to see how a fresh young ethnic Lib Dem parliamentary candidate would have done. A sentiment lang rabbie seems to share.

    I don't go along with the lang rabbie view about voting choice right now. I think Jonathan Bartley has a place on the Sunday Morning sofa - and maybe even the Moral Maze on Radio 4. His sort of thoughtful analysis of issues is something I value - and even though he is clearly not going to get it this time, I will definitely vote for him.

    I don't understand this idea on here that not voting for Helen Hayes is some sort of disloyal nastiness. We do live in a democracy where everyone has freedom of choice.
  6. clandestino

    clandestino no llevar papel

    People can vote for whoever they want, that's not the issue. The issue is forming a "remain pact" against a sitting remain candidate. It's pointless...unless there's some other agenda.
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  7. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Did you say that Labour were asked to participate - and consistently refused?

    Obviously in Peterborough Labour got what it wanted by doing this - a Labour MP rather that Femi Oluwole of the People's Vote campaign.

    Here in Dulwich and West Norwood it's really not even worth arguing about - unless you happen to be a Momentum/Labour supporter whose attitudes align with Zanu-PF for example. In other words, co-opt moderates and then liquidate them.

    BTW in Zimbabwe people are still complaining about Zanu-PF - been going on for 39 years with no end in sight.
  8. editor

    editor hiraethified

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  10. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Then there's this corridor:



    Fucking landlord scum.
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  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I agree with clandestino the Greens unfortunately have got themselves mixed up with Tory Lite Swinson strategy to stop Brexit and get rid of Corbyn.

    I'm a Remainer just.

    It clear to me that the mainstream Remainer movement which includes Swinson LDs want an end to Brexit plus a return to what is called the centre ground. Which means getting rid of Corbyn/ McDonnell. Not them personally but what they represent as a left politics which is regarded by centre politicians as illigitimate in the way the unwritten Constitution of this country works. Its not that Corbyn individually is unfit to govern. Its what he represents is unfit.

    Which is why I'm only just a Remainer and have found some of the politics around the mainstream Remain camp off putting.

    Swinson has made it clear more than once that she thinks a Labour party led by Corbyn ( or imo anyone from the left) is not how this country should work.

    The whole problem since the last eonomic crisis and the referendum is that , to the frustration of centre politicians , that the voters are voting for "populists" . Either Boris ( whose making himself this countries Trump) or shock horror Marxists like Corbyn/ McDonnell. The nightmare of a government with a Trot as chancellor of the exchequer.

    I recently heard some Tories on radio saying once the Brexit unpleasantness was out of the way this country can get back to centre politics. Tory Lite with a moderate Labour party equivalent and Cameron like Tory party. That Boris was a moderate sort of chap at heart only behaving like this due to the extreme circumstances.

    Its clear to me Swinson strategy is to isolate left Labour party and replace it as the sensible left of centre party.

    This isn't about betrayal. Its about politics.

    I'm all for populists.

    Its still up for grabs. But I don't want return to centre politics. I'm rather enjoying being part of the mainstream for the first time in years.

    I also think Greens should stay clear of Swinson.
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  13. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Swinson has a fucking appalling voting record. But like a lot of Lib Dems, she's essentially a Tory.
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  14. clandestino

    clandestino no llevar papel

    I don't think Swinson has much of a future as LD leader. She'll be gone by Christmas. Good riddance.
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  15. clandestino

    clandestino no llevar papel

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  16. SheilaNaGig

    SheilaNaGig Struggling and striving

    I was going up Brixton Hill on the bus at about 2:00 (I think) this morning and part of the Hill was cordoned off behind police lines. The Northbound/downhill side, between Lambert Road and BWL. At least five police vehicles there. As the bus went past several of us stood up for the rubbernecking. I was (rather weirdly, it felt like) hoping to see evidence of a RTA. No ambulance. No wreckage. So then I realised I was hoping for a RTA because the immediate alternative was another knife attack.

    It’s come to a pretty pass when one hopes for a car wreck because stabbings are so common. Two other people on the bus expressed the same thoughts.

    The White Horse was still busy. My mind went “If it’s a stabbing incident would it have started the WH? Probably not but wouldn’t the OB shut it anyway? Probably not because they’d not want drunk crowds milling about while they do the weapons search” ... etc.

    Anyway. No idea what happened, can’t find anything online, logging it here for the benefit of future sociologists mining forums for evidence if the past.
  17. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    That was already cordoned off shortly after midnight; I went past on a bus then. No evidence of an RTA.
  18. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I'm a voter in HH's ward. The massive majority basically means that my vote has zero effect on the outcome of the general election. I'd be tempted to use a green vote to register a futile protest against Lambeth council's housing policies and the failure of HH to speak out against it. I wouldn't do that in a more marginal seat where what you voted might contribute to the outcome of the GE.
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  19. editor

    editor hiraethified

    "It used to be called The Fridge...brrr... chilly!"

    Err, OK.

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  21. Angellic

    Angellic Well-Known Member

    Why, why?
  22. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    :D I just uttered those words before scrolling down and seeing your post!

    On a pedantic note - Mass was never in the crypt where Gremio is - it was on the fourth floor. The crypt was Bug, Bar Humbug and latterly Babalou. Perhaps she only frequented when Torture Garden was on, one of the few events which linked the two venues. :eek: :eek:
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  23. editor

    editor hiraethified

    This post from Jamm amused me. I wonder what sound a 'Mulled Whine' would be. :D

  24. editor

    editor hiraethified

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  25. Smick

    Smick Strictly Second Class

    I quite liked it. She’s got a love of the place, wasn’t completely hipster and included the buses.

    Yes, she’s young(ish), pretty, enthusiastic and vegan, none of which I am, but I’ve seen a lot worse in the past.
  26. Smick

    Smick Strictly Second Class

    I don’t see why that isn’t manslaughter. He might not have set out to kill, but when you drive at 90 in an urban area then it becomes an inevitability. Crime plus death equals manslaughter in my mind.

    what a fucking bastard.
  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    So the owner has managed to put in a small space as possible a rentable flat.

    I've had enough of this. I was listening on the Today Programme this morning of the plight of older renters in other parts of the country.

    Basically landlords are scum this country could do without.

    What actual useful contribution to society do private landlords make to society?

    None that I can see.
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  29. David Clapson

    David Clapson Infamous Knob

    They were given absurd tax advantages when Buy To Let mortgages were legalized. And BTL mortgages are a grossly unjust mechanism for widening the gap between rich and poor. A rental property is a speculative investment, but you're allowed to borrow 6 or 7 times your stake money at low interest. How can that be right? You wouldn't get a loan in order to buy stocks or bonds. It's the biggest step we've taken back to the feudal system in modern history. A few years ago it was even worse - there were syndicates of landlords buying up entire blocks off-plan with a deposit of 5% or less. They were supposed to increase their stake when the blocks were built, but they connived with dodgy surveyors and solicitors to get around it. I don't know whether that's still going on. Maybe the banking crisis put a stop to it, Plenty of BTL specialist lenders went bust.
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  30. David Clapson

    David Clapson Infamous Knob

    Coldharbour Lane outside the Albert is blocked. A police car had a minor collision with 2 other cars, and none of the cars can be moved an inch until traffic officers have inspected the scene.
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