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Brixton Market going all posh on Sundays

newbie said:
Why sunday, why separate from the main market? if sunday, why in Brixton which has no traditional sunday market, why not East Street? What is it about your vision and your stalls that needs a separate clientelle?


Interesting suggestion, East Street could do with a wider variety .... it's large enough and varied enough (both in geographical extent and clientele -- Walworth ain't ALL council estates! ;) ) to accomodate that. People flock to East Street on Sundays, Sats and Suns our two busiest days by far (I've lived next door to it for 15 years).

There are definitely a few pitch vacancies ATM -- not sure why though.

Maybe yer man could refocus on Sats for Brixton and head down our way on Sundays ...
 
noticed the fruit and veg stall by Iceland has disappeared. Pity. Used to buy my bananas on the way into work.
If there is a farmers market then good, got to be cheaper than Borough Market, which, while great, is outrageously expensive.
 
Techonelectric said:
Hi everyone

I'm the operator who started the market on sundays.

Hope I can clear up a few points.

I am doing this for various reasons not least of all money. I have lived on the Avenue for 10 years now and I've also managed a French market for 3 Years.
Electric Avenue was and is a very big risk for me and the traders whom I have recruited. We had 8 stalls this week and I really hope it will grow. The stalls were, Dark Sugars the cake stall who operates in Borough and several other London markets, Flowerpowercity a mainly organic baker also operating in Borough and other markets. There are 3 French produce stalls - Saucisson, Pates, Jams and honeys. Two arts and crafts stalls were also out.

I am actively trying to recruit quality stalls localy. If any of you out there run a stall and would like a pitch please get in touch.

Brixton in my opinion doesn't have much in the way of family entertainment on Sunday and shopping can be quite restricted. I hope the Sunday market can do something to improve this for all.

I'd be interested to hear what stalls readers on the forum would like to see in the market on Sundays.

Thanks and hope this helps.

Well I reckon good luck to you! There's nothing happening down there on a Sunday anyway, and why shouldn't Brixton have something like this - we're just as good as the Clapham/Borough people! Dieting right now, so I'll be down to check out the arts and crafts stalls (there's quite a strong A&C contingent on U75) but I'll drag down gaijinboy who will be well up for the food!
 
The thing abut Brixton market is that the bananas are all Dole and Del Monte without a hint of fair trade, the food miles are laughably high and you can't get strawberries there in June or for that matter any seasonal fruit or veg. Plus you can't get decent (as opposed to cheap) cheese, bread or meat.

I imagine the new market is trying to disassociate itself from the "pile it high and never mind the quality or ethics" ethic of the daily Brixton market. Even Tesco's sells fair trade bananas.

People are welcome to the British cheap food culture if that what they like but apart from LS Mash, the Portuguese deli and Brixton Wholefoods they haven't got a choice at the moment.
 
Ol Nick said:
the food miles are laughably high

Apart from the meat of course - I happen to know it has to travel mere metres (by shopping trolley) from van to stall.
 
Ol Nick said:
The thing abut Brixton market is that the bananas are all Dole and Del Monte without a hint of fair trade, the food miles are laughably high and you can't get strawberries there in June or for that matter any seasonal fruit or veg. Plus you can't get decent (as opposed to cheap) cheese, bread or meat.

Thats the whole problem with the fair trade/organic movement IMO, its all about lifestyle choice and making people feel better rather than changing things - Tesco sells Fair Traid bananas and Starbucks sells Fair Traid coffee. But its all at a premium price alongside the cheap stuff. Only when you can get fair traid universally and tesco sell value organic carrots does it start to make a difference.

edit: so unless you tax Dole and Del Monte et ak, or give breaks to fair trade of course markets will sell them. How else are they going to compete?
 
memespring said:
Thats the whole problem with the fair trade/organic movement IMO, its all about lifestyle choice and making people feel better rather than changing things - Tesco sells Fair Traid bananas and Starbucks sells Fair Traid coffee. But its all at a premium price alongside the cheap stuff. Only when you can get fair traid universally and tesco sell value organic carrots does it start to make a difference.

Surely there's a difference in that the point of fair trade is that it should make a difference (even though it's a tiny one, really) whereas the point of organic is that it's 'better' in some sense for the consumer. Organic produce isn't in priciple an ethical issue as far as I see it while fair trade is.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Surely there's a difference in that the point of fair trade is that it should make a difference (even though it's a tiny one, really) whereas the point of organic is that it's 'better' in some sense for the consumer. Organic produce isn't in priciple an ethical issue as far as I see it while fair trade is.

True, but it all seems to be caught up in the same "holy than though" stance in the media. It should all be about making a difference in where food comes from (geographically and morally) rather than making people feel better. Very little gets changed by personal choice, its only when things happen on mass that things change.
 
Ol Nick said:
The thing abut Brixton market is that the bananas are all Dole and Del Monte without a hint of fair trade, the food miles are laughably high and you can't get strawberries there in June or for that matter any seasonal fruit or veg. Plus you can't get decent (as opposed to cheap) cheese, bread or meat.


That's more than a little untrue ime. There's often some great stuff in the market, but it tends to go very quickly (by midday) and often is badly labelled and unheralded. There was plenty of purple sprouting broccoli in August, English asparagus at low prices in May and recently there were some excellent, big English pears around, sold on a much mocked £1 a scoop deal. You sometimes need to go past the cosmetics - I recently bought a bag of the most fantastic, but ugly mandarins for a pittance, honestly some of the best I've had for years.

That's not to say that there isn't room for improvement. I always say this, but I really miss T&C from Popes Road, who used to sell beautiful fresh berries, eggs and greens, or the other elderly couple (potatoes and english garden veg) nearby. But there are some encouraging - there's at least one new veg seller who looks a cut above the norm.

A big part of the problem is the issue Mrs M identifies; the best stock isn't always available at New Covent Garden, nor are the general public as willing to sacrifice appearance for taste so easily, hence traders often play safety first. And the middle ground is evaporating - it almost certainly benefits farmers/suppliers to aim for the bargain or premium sectors. It's one of the reason why I have some sympathy for Newbie's view that a split between farmers' markets and 'normal' ones isn't beneficial.

I think some of the criticism of the market is unfair too. How many traditional, non poncified markets offer genuinely good cheese, bread or milk? And besides, great cheese and bread is available from a good few delis within a minutes walk. The Portuguese and Colombian butchers are excellent once you get to know them.

Look on the bright side as well. How many places could boast the sheer variety that Brixton market does - last home I went home with breadfruit, green coconut, plantain, garlic pork (from the Portuguese butcher), chorizo, great satsumas, broccoli, baby courgettes (a massive bag for a pound) and huge field mushrooms - all for keen prices. We can be too down on the place.
:)

BTW - you can get fairtrade bananas from Esmes on occasion, or little Caribbean bananas from some of the smaller traders in Granville.
 
Nice food, why not?

If there is nice food then whats wrong with them coming down for Christmas on a sunday, has to be more appetizing than those pig trotters in Granville Arcade.

Has anyone here actually tried them?!?!?!
 
I honestly don't know the difference. I thought it was just re-branding.

I know most of the old market people got their fruit and veg from Borough Market early doors, and they obviously weren't farmers up in town for the day . . . where do the 'farmers market' crowd get their stuff ?
 
If FlourPower have a stall, I will definitely have a look - great bread.

Which French markets have you managed, TechnoElectric?
 
The world is definitely split into two camps: those who will pay more for better quality and better tasting food, and those who think that paying extra is a waste. Never the twain (great sitcom!) shall meet...anyway, Peckham's had a weekly farmer's market for years. Brixton as ever lags behind.
 
Peckham's had a weekly farmer's market for years. Brixton as ever lags behind.

Yeah, but Peckham's biggest shop is a holy-rollers faith-will-heal-your-cancer for a small donation supermarket...I'm quite happy that Brixton 'lags behind' in that respect...
 
I had a quick look at the 'farmers market' today. Not very inspiring. Four stalls, most of which seemed to be selling sausages or posh versions of jam. Shame. I am convinced that some form of good market would be really popular in Brixton, much as I would loathe to see competition for the portugese deli.

I am a big fan of the recent trend towards packs of fruit and veg for a pound (or even for 50p if you go to the Iraqi-owned shop in Atlantic Road); the stuff is good and its cheap, and the people who work are always friendly. Much better than supermarkets any day. If they sold a greater variety of stuff, I would do more of my shopping there. Also, if they stayed open until a bit later that would be good; the butchers shops stay open till 7 so why cant the market? And why does the market kick off at 8am every day; how many people really do their food shopping at that time??
 
binrak said:
I had a quick look at the 'farmers market' today. Not very inspiring. Four stalls, most of which seemed to be selling sausages or posh versions of jam. Shame. I am convinced that some form of good market would be really popular in Brixton, much as I would loathe to see competition for the portugese deli.

Agreed - we went for the first time today as well. Some good stuff there (Flour Power bread; good salami; proper tinned cassoulet) but not enough stalls to make it worth a regular visit (and no cheese or meat).
 
aurora green said:
personally, I didn't notice any, 'cos after the horror of the bread prices, I turned back the other way for some more reasonably priced fayre.

oh dear... all sounds a bit traumatic... :D
 
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