Discussion in 'Brixton' started by memespring, Nov 30, 2005.
I'll have full details this shortly, but there WILL be a clampdown for three months around the centre and displacement areas (Rushcroft/Somerleyton).
yeah i saw that.
uniformed policemen were handing out leaflets at the tube last night - while 10 paces away people sold weed.
sounds like a good idea (if it's true, story quite vague). i get the impression some of the dealers are taking the piss. would be good to show them whose boss
There's been agreement between the police, the council, the CPCG, BAF and BAC that the first opportunity for people to hear about this will properly be at tonights local meeting. That will include details of everything that's being put in place to ensure that this is properly targetted at what is universally recognised to be a real blight on our town centre and how everyone can have ongoing input into its implementation.
Someone has jumped the gun in letting this release out.
Meeting's at 6:30 at the Assembly Hall.
I can't believe that anybody would be having a consultative meeting where the outcome was already decided in advance. That would be wrong.
Consultation happens all over the place in all sorts of different ways, not just at big meetings.
But come along tonight and add your two-pennerth
I will be playing chess, I'm afraid and am, moreover, no longer a Lambeth resident. But thank you anyway.
I doubt you'd find many people in Brixton who aren't mightily fed up with all the open drug-dealing. If it were put to a referrendum, I expect you'd get a huge majority saying they want it stopped. Having people hanging about mumbling "skunkskunkskunk" (or not even mumbling it sometimes - almost shouting in fact) makes a horrible atmospheare.
This is long overdue. The proliferation of dealers around Boots/ Iceland/ Woolworths needs to be dealt with ASAP, as they are clearly taking the piss. The pavement round there is crowded enough without the dealers adding to it.
Sure the dealers will move elsewhere, preferably somewhere like Outer Mongolia.
'SKUNK?' - 'No, I do not want any skunk as I don't want to fund a Nike wearing non exercising peabrain like your goodself. I want to get a bus. And if for some strange reason I wanted some skunk I wouldn't buy it off a street dealer like yourself. Now fuck off.
Can't wait to see plain clothes coppers arresting these fuckwits.
repression will not diminish demand
where there is demand there will be supply
IMO the only way to longterm get rid of the street dealers is to license and regulate legal outlets- cafes, chemists, whatever.
This is pre-election window dressing.
and the whistling, dont forget that.. gets right on my wick that does
been very close to saying I AM NOT A SHEEPDOG! several times
I agree with that - I think Amsterdam-style cafes would be the way forward.
However, the bizarre inbetween situation we've been lumbered with in Brixton - where a seedy free-for-all is tolerated and just allowed to go on and on - is not desirable either, imo.
Agree... Its easy enough to ignore street dealers and all the police will do is displace them for a short while.
Waste of time and money imho
Agree with Newbie. This measure's just a temporary sticking plaster that will displace the activity for a little, but one that I suspect will have no real lasting effect.
I actually don't believe the dealing's much worse than it was previously, just more visible. To be honest, if this initiative stops so many opportunistic fuckers doing that annoying whistling thing I'd be happy.
I can't believe that they really need 'intelligence-led' policing to really track down the dealers out there. The guys may as well wear pink jumpsuits with 'I am selling' for all the subtlety they exhibit. Too often I see the police going for soft targets - the occasional pissed purchaser - rather than the obvious selling gangs. I do hope these new powers aren't used to arrest and make examples of a few ill advised punters.
Oh, and while they're at it, how about getting rid of those musicshow ticket touts that frequently wall-off the exit from the tube station? They're a total pain in the arse.
We had that discussion before. Apparently the selling itself isn't illegal, although how they're not causing an obstruction I don't know.
What truley beggars belief is the sight of all the coppers just standing there watching it go on!
FFS, there must be a myriad of laws and by-laws they could use? Unlicensed street trading, for instance? Causing an obstruction? Breach of the peace?
Bet they'd be quick off the mark if they were striking pickets!
Especially given the £80 on the spot fine for drinking alcohol in the street that applies as a byelaw in many areas of Britain.
aye, and the bloke who bellows about the bible, and geezer with the staff who rants about the white man, and the old chap with the ghetto blaster and the lady with the comb and the various groups of christians and the lefty paper sellers and him with the joss sticks and the tube touts and the white rasta with the flyers and the grubby junkies and the counterfiet DVD sellers and them ones with the knockoff fags and the women with the clattering high heels and the blokes that walk too slowly and as for the kids on pushbikes on the pavement, don't get me started. Sweep them all away, they make the place too untidy.
Personally I think it should be a crime to park a landrover on the pavement.
Quite. You only need to walk between the tube and KFC twice and you'd know who it is.
Its probably an excuse to deploy a swanky CCTV truck
Are you taking the piss?
It already is.
he's taken your point and extended it to its logical conclusion..
I think this topic is the drug dealers and the drug dealers only not an excuse to rant about the characters around brixton.
those touts have only annoyed me once. and that was last week when Dylan was on and there was loads.
I think he's making a hugely important point myself. I'd hate to see officials getting too prescriptive and strict about those who can 'hang around' the station. I don't want to see an area stripped off its bustle, characters and street life. That way some gawdawful pedestrianised 'Croydonesque' initiative lies, all chain stores and sanitised homogenous town design. A bit of bustle and wheeler-dealing, whilst occasionally inconvenient, is perfect for a working market area.
Having lived in Brixton for years (since the late 70's, to be precise) the vast majority of the "charecters" don't bother me at all. However, the recent (from 1999-onwards) influx of dealers and touts is where a line needs to be drawn. I'm fed up of running the gauntlet of both those groups whenever I struggle my way out of the station and along the street, trying to just make my way home.
But if police arrest everyone buying cannabis off the street then surely that will diminish demand? I certainly wouldn't risk arrest for some dubious herbiage, I don't think most people would.
I doubt it. I severely doubt that the majority of 'drug tourists' are repeat offenders - not many would voluntarily return to pay high prices for something which occasionally may really be cannabis.
I suspect the majority of purchases are opportunistic and not particularly reasoned or informed decisions. Once the blaze of publicity is over, expecting people to obediently stop buying from street dealers seems an unlikely achievement. It's not as though draconian powers have really be shown as a disincentive in the past in the 'war' against drugs.
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