Brixton Coach to Stop the BNP "Festival"

[Pickman's model]

The bnp did say that they were going to march from brixton to stockwell(i think they must have been listening to the Wall).I think they said it for effect rather than having any real intension of going through with it.

my recollection is that the bnp were going to "take" brixton

 

[linerider]

my recollection is that the bnp were going to "take" brixton

They said "take back",but wanted to march from the town hall to stockwell station.

 

[ajdown]

so you won't recall the time in the 90s

You're right, I wasn't in Brixton in the 1990's. I wasn't even in London, for that matter.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're right, I wasn't in Brixton in the 1990's. I wasn't even in London, for that matter.

happy days

them days are gone now

 

[Nigel]

If you are going to hang someone, this would be no use unless it was a very small platform.*

You need the rope OVER the trapdoor otherwise it just won't work.

I've drawn a diagram with my biro on a bit of paper I found in my wallet but I don't know how to upload that. If you PM me your address I can post it though.

Hope this is helpful come the Revolution.

*eta I did a bit of research using a Kit Kat wrapper rolled into a tube shape to represent the hangee and a little hole at the back of the computer desk to represent the trapdoor. It depends where the rope anchor point is in relation to the centre of the trapdoor. At any great distance sideways for this (ie if the rope anchor is offset by about 1.5m) you will still do harm to the hangee but there will be a lot of grazing. They will probllablbly strangle but you won't get a clean neck break. Bigger offsets, like say a platform length if the platform is big enough to be used for political purposes, you might just get the grazing and the hangee lying half in and half out of the trapdoor.

It's up to you.

By the way, I want to be People's Commisar for Beer, Crisps and Unguents.


CC

Perhaps the left in Britain could hold a committee on how to hang someone, organise a united front and have a 'mass rally' of 3men( sorry three people of any or transgender) and a dog(if that isn't speciest) and wave lollipops

Got the impression they: SWP had quite a large branch in Brixton at one time.
Tried to debate Nation Of Islam and some group called Soul Force that Malcolm X was a Marxist in 1990's.
Definitely worth a laugh

 

[Pickman's model]

Perhaps the left in Britain could hold a committee on how to hang someone, organise a united front and have a 'mass rally' of 3men( sorry three people of any or transgender) and a dog(if that isn't speciest) and wave lollipops

Got the impression they: SWP had quite a large branch in Brixton at one time.
Tried to debate Nation Of Islam and some group called Soul Force that Malcolm X was a Marxist in 1990's.
Definitely worth a laugh

i wonder if you mean that you tried to debate in the 1990s that malcolm x was a marxist. cos he certainly wasn't a marxist in the 1990s.

 

[JHE]

...or at any other time

 

[Pickman's model]

...or at any other time

he did say he 'tried' to debate it, suggesting abject failure.

 

[machine cat]

I think there is a greater concern with the BNP having rallies, participating in, and winning elections in other parts of the country. Like they're ever going to get any support in Brixton ffs.

Instead of 'hang 'em' 'smash their heads in' crap cowardly socialists say while they're not seling papers they should try and make a difference where the BNP matter.

 

[Bakunin]

If you are going to hang someone, this would be no use unless it was a very small platform.*

You need the rope OVER the trapdoor otherwise it just won't work.

Not so, good Sir. You can build a type of gallows without any trapdoor at all, it's known (after its inventor, as the 'Julian Gallows' (also known as the 'upright jerker') and hoists the prisoner vertically using a very large counterweight. Such a device was used to hang celebrated Western gunman Tom Horn and America's first 'Public Enemy Number One', armed robber, murder and escape artist Gerald Chapman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upright_jerker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Horn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Chapman

It was used in both Wyoming and Connecticut, before Wyoming installed a gas chamber and Connecticut opted for electrocution.

 

[JHE]

What is it about capital punishment that so fascinates anarchists around here? What is it about anarchs that disposes them to a study of capital punishment? There are, it seems, at least two anarchs on u75 who have a highly developed, macabre, though (I must admit) apparently quite erudite interest in the gruesome details of executing people.

 

[Bakunin]

What is it about capital punishment that so fascinates anarchists around here? What is it about anarchs that disposes them to a study of capital punishment? There are, it seems, at least two anarchs on u75 who have a highly developed, macabre, though (I must admit) apparently quite erudite interest in the gruesome details of executing people.

Well, for me personally, I'm interested in the death penalty as an issue and I'm also a part-time crime writer, so I'm interested in it from both a political and technical standpoint. If you study crime for any length of time (something I've always been interested in and I've been interested since I was a lad) then the death penalty is something you're going to encounter executions time and time again, especially if, as I am, you're particularly interested in the study of both the classic, most notorious criminals and the history of crime itself.

 

[machine cat]

What is it about capital punishment that so fascinates anarchists around here? What is it about anarchs that disposes them to a study of capital punishment? There are, it seems, at least two anarchs on u75 who have a highly developed, macabre, though (I must admit) apparently quite erudite interest in the gruesome details of executing people.

Agreed. It seems as if they're fascists at heart: Agree with us or you're "against the fucking wall."

 

[JHE]

Agreed. It seems as if they're facists at heart: Agree with us or you're "against the fucking wall."

Hang on! Bakunin's (interesting) answer wasn't at all like that.

 

[machine cat]

i lost interest after the word 'gallows' tbh

 

[Bakunin]

Hang on! Bakunin's (interesting) answer wasn't at all like that.

Agreed. I was once (when young and naive about the issue) a vocal supporter of the death penalty. But the more I researched the issues, the more I came to realise that I had to stand firmly against it, not just because I value human life, but because I think it fails on more hard-headed and practical reasons.

I wouldn't support the execution of anyone these days, irrespective of their crime, while firmly believing that, for some criminals, either life without parole in prison or permanent confinement to a special hospital would cewrtainly be necessary.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Agreed. It seems as if they're fascists at heart: Agree with us or you're "against the fucking wall."

having knowledge about the death penalty means anarchists want to put you up against a wall and shoot you if you don't agree with them, does it?

I suspect you've forgotten to take you chlorpromazine, doctor.

 

[ViolentPanda]

i lost interest after the word 'gallows' tbh

Hmm, so you're easily distracted and you're paranoid.
Have you considered a career in the security services?

 

[Pickman's model]

Agreed. It seems as if they're fascists at heart: Agree with us or you're "against the fucking wall."

no. you'd be lucky if you were "against the wall". if i had my way, it would be "above the trapdoor" or "behind the brick wall in the cellar", like in the edgar allen poe story, 'the pipe of amontillado'.

but not on the basis that you don't agree with me, i'm sure i could find a better reason.

 

[Pickman's model]

Agreed. I was once (when young and naive about the issue) a vocal supporter of the death penalty. But the more I researched the issues, the more I came to realise that I had to stand firmly against it, not just because I value human life, but because I think it fails on more hard-headed and practical reasons.

I wouldn't support the execution of anyone these days, irrespective of their crime, while firmly believing that, for some criminals, either life without parole in prison or permanent confinement to a special hospital would cewrtainly be necessary.

while i am against the death penalty under current conditions, i recognise that the conditions will not always remain the same and can conceive of circumstances when it could be necessary, if not desirable, to apply what the soviets were pleased to call the supreme sentence.

 

[BalhamCloud]

while i am against the death penalty under current conditions, i recognise that the conditions will not always remain the same and can conceive of circumstances when it could be necessary, if not desirable, to apply what the soviets were pleased to call the supreme sentence.

The European Union agrees with you.

 

[Pickman's model]

The European Union agrees with you.

i'm pleased we've reached consensus

 

[Pickman's model]

The European Union agrees with you.

further to my previous reply, among the circumstances would be the breakdown of the capitalist order and the necessity to dispose of advocates of a return to the status quo ante, including the fash. as well as trots. if the eu agrees with that i'd be very surprised.

 

[JHE]

i'm pleased we've reached consensus

I think it's more a symmetry of opinion than a genuine consensus. The people who run the EU and its constituent states might, in certain circumstances, decide it's right to execute you, while you, I suspect, look forward to the day when you can execute them.

 

[jakejb79]

Funny BNP joke from this weeks ''Mock the week''. The only way Britain could get a man to the moon would to put Nick Griffin on Brixton High Street.

 

[ajdown]

I'd actually really like to meet Nick Griffin. It'd be fascinating to meet someone more unpopular than me.

 

[Pickman's model]

It'd be fascinating to meet someone more unpopular than me.

no such person exists.

 

[ajdown]

So you'd rather sit down and have a drink with Nick Griffin than me? Fascinating.

 

[grit]

... or it could just be that people have seen 'the left' in action in government for a number of years now, decided it isn't working, and are looking at the alternatives.

The success of a political party is based purely on addressing the needs of the electorate in persuading them to vote for them. Nothing more, nothing less. A lot of it may be down to 'spin' but most of it will be their policies.

As you seem to be concentrating on the BNP, a lot of people do see a variety of problems with the amount of immigration into the UK. Whilst "send 'em all 'ome" is not necessarily the best solution, the other extreme of "let anyone in regardless" is not the solution either. But what are the mainstream parties offering as their solutions?

You do have to also remember that 'the left' is as much part of the problem; anyone talking about immigration immediately gets branded a racist, or similar, so people are now afraid to even talk about the issue, and when people are afraid to talk about the issue in normal conversation, that's when the extremes tend to come out because they aren't afraid to talk about it - and "hmm they're saying what I'm thinking" is how people respond.

The success of the BNP is nothing to do with big budgets, slick spin doctors, or even necessarily their policies - I'd say it's more down to mainstream politics losing touch with the electorate and being unable or unwilling to come up with a solution to counteract it.

In fact, you could even say that the rise of the right is the result of the failure of the left through years of political correctness and fighting for an 'open doors' kind of policy. Therefore, perhaps those on the political left should be putting more effort into seeing how to make their point of view more accepted by the mainstream, rather than attacking and attempting to silence those who are, after all, only operating within the same democratic system of freedom of speech and thought as you are.

Or are you not pro-democracy?

I'm a recent immigrant to the UK and dont know much of your political history, however the points raised in the above post are universal. Fair play to ajdown for cutting through the bullshit and showing that a left extreme is just as bad as a right extreme. This sort of view usually angers both sides, which to me is a good sign it has merit

 

[Blagsta]

I'm a recent immigrant to the UK and dont know much of your political history, however the points raised in the above post are universal. Fair play to ajdown for cutting through the bullshit and showing that a left extreme is just as bad as a right extreme. This sort of view usually angers both sides, which to me is a good sign it has merit

ajdown doesn't know what left wing means