Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
who's blaming you mr paranoid! Labour haven't been left wing for years now that you don't know this shows how out of touch you are
Brixton Coach to Stop the BNP "Festival"
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Why some on the left spend their political lives following a tiny party like the BNP around, beats me. The BNP just came 7th in the by election in Norwich, the two MEPs they got was because of the PR voting system.
They have a handful of councillors out of a possible ten's of thousands.
It is UKIP who are on a roll, 13 MEPs, and now they are starting to win council by elections.
They have achieved this by putting immigration as one of their main concerns.
During the Norwich by election I am told UKIP's leaflets mentioned immigration more than did the BNP's!
UKIP are putting themselves forward as a milder version of the BNP, and it is working for them to an extent.
So, if you want to follow a political party around because they are fascists, then UKIP should be picketed.
Although I don't know why those on the left with a BNP fetish, don't instead spend more time putting up a left party for elections.
They have a handful of councillors out of a possible ten's of thousands.
It is UKIP who are on a roll, 13 MEPs, and now they are starting to win council by elections.
They have achieved this by putting immigration as one of their main concerns.
During the Norwich by election I am told UKIP's leaflets mentioned immigration more than did the BNP's!
UKIP are putting themselves forward as a milder version of the BNP, and it is working for them to an extent.
So, if you want to follow a political party around because they are fascists, then UKIP should be picketed.
Although I don't know why those on the left with a BNP fetish, don't instead spend more time putting up a left party for elections.
ajdown
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Because it's easier to complain about it and try to disrupt people voting for a legitimate political party through the democratic system, than organise a credible alternative to vote for.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
One of the most facistic things I've ever read on here. Not in my name linerider.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
How dare you hide behind the sacrifices of millions in an attempt to justify your own supprt for violence and intimidation.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You might want to find out what fascism means?
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
I do know about fascism, certainly enough to recognise it when it rears its ugly head.
Except how to spell it when I'm angry.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I do know about fascism, certainly enough to recognise it when it rears its ugly head.
Except how to spell it when I'm angry.
In that case you know that violence != fascism.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Apart from much of the event being orchaestrated, security let in sit down protesters on the basis of Health & Safety, that is complete bollox.
The only thing that SWP did at that demonstration was lead a bulk of the demonstrators walking around in circles taking them away from the front gate.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
the continuation of a surprising number of conservative policies, and spending plans, were the hallmark of the early years of the blair administration. followed by an alliance between blair and a right-wing yankee administration. personally, i haven't seen anything 'left-wing' in what the labour party's done, and a great deal which is simply corrupt ('reform' of the house of lords), stupid, inept, or downright barking. a left-wing government would have done something positive for the millennium instead of wasting hundreds of millions on the dome. education and housing would have been priorities instead of downgraded. transport would have been integrated instead of fucked. even the one possible success blair had, in the six counties, was a) imo not a success, and b) much down to the work of others, notably john major, albert reynolds, gerry adams and john hume.
no it isn't. people don't read manifestos. i've tried and given up. people vote for the best of a bad bunch, or they vote for a party to send a rocket up the establishment, be that party ukip or bnp. the bnp's a special case here, because they have received so much free publicity, because they appear as an anti-party party, and because the electorate to which they appeal has been abandoned by other parties. it's certainly not down to their ideas convincing, in the same way that the other parties don't convince.
immigration's a troublesome issue. there is a need to let people in: the aging population's going to need younger people in it, and if we're not prepared to breed them, where else are they going to come from? i agree that the no borders approach is stupid - however, until there's a debate about immigration in which the facts and not the fears are discussed then you're going to have a polarisation of the argument.
no, as i mentioned it's more "hmm they're talking about what i fear". the whole of society has gone from being resilient about risk to being extremely risk averse. this manifests itself in discussions about immigration as much as it does about health and safety or terrorism.
to an extent. but the mainstream parties haven't lost touch with the electorate, not all of it. they have lost touch with large parts of the white working class, which has frankly been denigrated for many years. it's a mark imo of the tolerance of the white working class that it's taken so long for fascist parties to make any impact, and even now that impact's within a minority of the wwc.
it's true that the mainstream parties have no idea of how to combat the bnp. instead by describing them as beyond the pale they establish a clear dividing line between them and the bnp, one which the bnp has taken full advantage of. however, the bnp are very much a griffin party, not a resilient party like the conservatives or lib dems.
this is not about immigration as such, it is about the way in which immigration's portrayed, which is a separate thing. it is about the way in which people fear the factors which affect them in their everyday lives are going to be impacted by immigration. but the rise of the bnp offers people as many solutions to their real problems as does the continuing dominance of the major parties, which is to say none.
what we have in this country is very far from democracy.
Ok maybe the hanging bit was a bit over the top,but as someone who has fought against the far right for well over 30 years,I couldn't believe that we're going through this again.I blame the atitude of ajdown and drcarnage who accept groups like the bnp as part of the political landscape and not the cancer that they are.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
but presumably you're not one of these people.
what a wanker you are,I was saying that if people had stood up against the Nazis in the early 30's there might well not have been WW2.appeasement didn't work then and it doesn't work now.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i take it you're using 'facistic' in its 1960s meaning.
JHE
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The Social Workers have had one local councillor elected (and re-elected) in Preston. He has not stood as a candidate for the Social Workers Party. He first stood for the Socialist Alliance and managed to get the support of a locally influential Muslim cleric. With the mosque vote, he unexpectedly won! He was later re-elected as a candidate for al-Respeq - the party for Muslims.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
sacrifices? what, like bulls being slaughtered in ancient rome so the entrails could be read?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
If you are going to hang someone, this would be no use unless it was a very small platform.*
You need the rope OVER the trapdoor otherwise it just won't work.
I've drawn a diagram with my biro on a bit of paper I found in my wallet but I don't know how to upload that. If you PM me your address I can post it though.
Hope this is helpful come the Revolution.
*eta I did a bit of research using a Kit Kat wrapper rolled into a tube shape to represent the hangee and a little hole at the back of the computer desk to represent the trapdoor. It depends where the rope anchor point is in relation to the centre of the trapdoor. At any great distance sideways for this (ie if the rope anchor is offset by about 1.5m) you will still do harm to the hangee but there will be a lot of grazing. They will probllablbly strangle but you won't get a clean neck break. Bigger offsets, like say a platform length if the platform is big enough to be used for political purposes, you might just get the grazing and the hangee lying half in and half out of the trapdoor.
It's up to you.
By the way, I want to be People's Commisar for Beer, Crisps and Unguents.
CC
JHE
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That's undoubtedly true, though the Social Worker who admitted that to you was a bit more honest that most. The standard line was to jeer at 'electoralism'.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
with happy classical music in the station
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
so you won't recall the time in the 90s when the swappies put it about that the bnp were going to descend on brixton, causing widespread concern and me and some other anti-fascists to get taken for nf walking down railton road to the old 121. a pleasant afternoon in brady's ensued but no sign of the bnp - who were never going to turn up - leading to the swp declaring victory.
The bnp did say that they were going to march from brixton to stockwell(i think they must have been listening to the Wall).I think they said it for effect rather than having any real intension of going through with it.
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