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British Muslims - What They Really Think

editor said:
And the conclusion form that report is "The Muslim community in Britain lacks a single, unifying voice at both an institutional and an individual level", and not "British Muslims - What They Really Think."
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thats one of the conclusions that can be made. we're all free to make our own though, aren't we :confused:
 
Magneze said:
Even if we ignore the many concerns about the poll, all it shows is that a small minority of Muslims are very angry about something. What should we do about this? Should we demonise the entire religion? Maybe we should try to work out why these people are so angry?

I think that if we look at the underlying reasons then we might actually get a clearer insight into the way forward - these surveys give us nothing but headline grabbing statistics and give little indication what the way forward is.
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Second that.
 
trashpony said:
Here's some other data from the poll which has so far been 'overlooked' by some of the posters on this thread:

Most people (49%) say that Yusuf Islam (ie Cat Stevens) most closely represents their views. The least (13%) say that Abu Hamza does.

Over 60% don't feel that suicide bombings are ever justifed in Chechnya, Israel, Britain or Iraq (in fact the lowest number is 66% - in Israel). 75% don't feel that civilians are legitimate targets and 59% don't feel that the military are.

So how come none of you poll quoters quoted that little lot? Didn't support your views?
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Good call.
 
editor said:
"British Muslims - What They Really Think."
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my only problem with that title is that it implies that british muslims keep these opinions hidden. in my limited experience, they often don't :(
 
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my only problem with that title is that it implies that british muslims keep these opinions hidden. in my limited experience, they don't :(
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The title is totally misleading.
I wonder why.
 
I've decided I'm fucked off with all of this lumping people into job lots.

I met a muslim, a British born Pakistanni guy on friday at a mate's party.
Bloke was 100%, no hangups and not a bomb to be seen.
Just a nice guy.
I Was in the Pub drinking with a copper on Monday. He didn't beat anyone up and didn't think of a handy crime to charge someone with.
Oh, I was with a chinese mate who he didn't call a chink so I suppose he was not a racist.
The Chinese lad knows nothing of kung fu and can't cook to save his life.

Will people plese stop saying Muslim this, coppers that and blah blah blah.

No group thinks alike, no group act alike.
Can't we just be mates and get on with things ?

Rant over - sorry just had to get that off the chest.
 
where to said:
thats a good call mate, but that can only happen once you've accepted that people hold such views. which this thread seems to have achieved. which answers your first question. :cool:
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I'm not sure anyone has denied that some people hold extreme views have they? :confused:
 
kasheem said:
-46% of all Muslims think "Jews are in league with the Freemasons to control the media and politics".
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What do political extremists have against the freemasons..?? They were persecuted by the Nazis, Italian Fascists of Mussolini & Franco's Spain, as well as by communist regimes & now the religious Muslim extremists think they are in league with the Jews in controlling the world media & international finance. Is it due to the aprons & funny handshakes..??
 
Magneze said:
I think that if we look at the underlying reasons then we might actually get a clearer insight into the way forward - these surveys give us nothing but headline grabbing statistics and give little indication what the way forward is.
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I think the underlying reason is that unlike people with Christian European background, who have got educated in a way that they know their own kind did not always did the right thing and sometimes behaved unfairly to others, Muslims think that they always are the victims.
For example in schools in this country all children study about colonialism (bad Europeans), slavery (bad Europeans), crusades (bad Christians), Inquisition and what happened to Muslims and Jews in Spain (bad Christians). While not many Muslims know about spread of Islam by force, elimination of Christianity from the centre of Eastern Christendom (Constantinople), African slaves brought by Muslim traders.
As a result there is a victim complex in many Muslims when they look at the history and see Islam as “peaceful” religion while thinking about Christianity exclusively as invaders.
 
Serguei said:
I think the underlying reason is that unlike people with Christian European background, who have got educated in a way that they know their own kind did not always did the right thing and sometimes behaved unfairly to others, Muslims think that they always are the victims.
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What, all of them?

Where are you getting this bullshit from?

:rolleyes:
 
Andy the Don said:
What do political extremists have against the freemasons..?? They were persecuted by the Nazis, Italian Fascists of Mussolini & Franco's Spain, as well as by communist regimes & now the religious Muslim extremists think they are in league with the Jews in controlling the world media & international finance. Is it due to the aprons & funny handshakes..??
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You did not have a chance to read "Protocols of Elders of Zion"? This is a peace of anti-Semitic propaganda concocted by Russian tsar’s secret service at the dawn of 20th century and quite popular with neo-nazis and in some Arab countries. It claims that freemasonry is a Jewish tool to enslave Christians and rule the world (like Daleks :) ).
 
Serguei said:
I think the underlying reason is that unlike people with Christian European background, who have got educated in a way that they know their own kind did not always did the right thing and sometimes behaved unfairly to others, Muslims think that they always are the victims.
For example in schools in this country all children study about colonialism (bad Europeans), slavery (bad Europeans), crusades (bad Christians), Inquisition and what happened to Muslims and Jews in Spain (bad Christians). While not many Muslims know about spread of Islam by force, elimination of Christianity from the centre of Eastern Christendom (Constantinople), African slaves brought by Muslim traders.
As a result there is a victim complex in many Muslims when they look at the history and see Islam as “peaceful” religion while thinking about Christianity exclusively as invaders.
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So you think that the underlying reason is that Muslims are taught, in this country, that they have always been oppressed by other religions. It's as simple as that is it? What about other countries? That argument doesn't stand up to much scrutiny to me.
 
Sorry, "Christian Europeans" don't have a victim mentality whereas Muslims do? "Christian Europeans" are educated all about colonialism et al and none of them ever come out with "well we did them a load of good really they wouldn't be where they are if it wasn't for us they'd still be in grass huts" and think the British Empire (to take an example) was basically all right, like in Zulu, and that we're really actually pretty good all told, our government's got its heart in the right place, it's just the other people who are bad? None of them ever complain that their way of life is under threat from immigrants/paedophiles/crack fiends/chavs/dole scroungers/Muslims? I could go on....
 
Serguei said:
You did not have a chance to read "Protocols of Elders of Zion"? This is a peace of anti-Semitic propaganda concocted by Russian tsar’s secret service at the dawn of 20th century and quite popular with neo-nazis and in some Arab countries.
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How about you explain why you've got exactly the same IP address as the thread starter, kasheem?
 
editor said:
What, all of them?

Where are you getting this bullshit from?
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Listening to what "ordinary Muslims" say?

Certainly not all of them. Exactly as not all white people usually get drunk every second evening. But there are many of them (both drunks among whites and those among Muslims who think the others are always to be blamed).
 
Serguei said:
I think the underlying reason is that unlike people with Christian European background, who have got educated in a way that they know their own kind did not always did the right thing and sometimes behaved unfairly to others, Muslims think that they always are the victims.
For example in schools in this country all children study about colonialism (bad Europeans), slavery (bad Europeans), crusades (bad Christians), Inquisition and what happened to Muslims and Jews in Spain (bad Christians). While not many Muslims know about spread of Islam by force, elimination of Christianity from the centre of Eastern Christendom (Constantinople), African slaves brought by Muslim traders.
As a result there is a victim complex in many Muslims when they look at the history and see Islam as “peaceful” religion while thinking about Christianity exclusively as invaders.
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That is in the running for shite post of the day award.

The Crusades and the inquisition are not studied by 'all children'. Colonialism isn't studied that much. A fair few study slavery granted, but if you think that that is the reason why Muslims think the Westr is out to get them dream on.

There may well be issues about the history - both positive and negative - of Islam but that ain't the key thing - it's Iraq and Palestine (and asssociated fallout there-from) stupid.

Oh and most stuff i've read about the Ottoman Empire notes the toleration of both Jews and Christians. The Salonika (now Thessalonika) Jews were the descendents of those expelled from Spain. They lived under Muslim rule for 500 years until a particular Central European power got control. They were then deported to Auschwitz and gassed.
 
big footed fred said:
No group thinks alike, no group act alike.
Can't we just be mates and get on with things ?
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head down finsbury park mosque with that sentiment and get back to us mate. i think you're preaching to the converted here.
 
where to said:
head down finsbury park mosque with that sentiment and get back to us mate. i think you're preaching to the converted here.
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What do you think will happen if he goes down there and says that? :confused:
 
Serguei said:
Listening to what "ordinary Muslims" say?
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So every single Muslim you have ever met has declared themself a 'victim', yes?

So exactly how many have you met and how did you manage to bring the conversation around to their 'victim' status?

Oh, and about the IP address. Care to explain?
 
editor said:
In the way that the thread starter's claims are by no means "What British Muslims Really Think."

Ergo, it is misleading. Understand, yet?
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what 'claims' does kasheem make?
 
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