British Fascism and How to Fight It

[ViolentPanda]

Yep. It's bonkers. As pointed out time and again on here, the danger of the BNP is not a march on London and a powerr grab but a slow steady colonisation of the political space opened up by the abandonment of w/c communities by the mainstream parties and a poisoning of the well, so that class based politics are removed in favour of racialising social issues - to that racialisation becoming normalised, becoming how people habitually do 'politics'. It's that simple. Any talk about then taking power is political idiocy.

Thanks for saying that, it means I don't have to.

I know I shouldn't continue to find it depressing that people miss the point of the BNP's change of strategy, but it's so bleeding obvious what they're up to, and that "seizing power" has no place in their current plans, that I'm worried when people appear oblivious to it.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't worry, the vanguard always get its wrong - they see more clearly.

 

[frogwoman]

what butchers and vp said, innit.

 

[audiotech]

transformers r us

I don't know as to whether the 'current plans' of the BNP would include a 'strategy' to 'seize power' of a local council, or two say, but I bet they've discussed it. Would I be 'bonkers' in thinking that?

 

[butchersapron]

You'd be your usual self rodger.

 

[audiotech]

over and out..........

 

[derf]

Could you point out that story for me.

I said "TYPE" story your dumbo.

Are you trying to tell me that the mail isn't a racist/islamaphob rag?

 

[lewislewis]

They are fascinated with Plaid in Wales. The latest 'joke' is to refer to us as Plaid Curry.

http://bnp[dot]org[dot]uk/2008/12/plaid-cymru%E2%80%99s-communist-links-exposed/

 

[Taxamo Welf]

no you are talking sense in my imho

very much so.

Indeed, if you want to do specifically anti-fascist work, UAF would be your last port of call.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

BTW everyone on this thread wins half a point for an online sighting of an IBT member. You get a full ten points IRL.

 

[kyser_soze]

Has anyone ever scored 10 points and known about it at the time?

 

[TremulousTetra]

Yep. It's bonkers. As pointed out time and again on here, the danger of the BNP is not a march on London and a powerr grab but a slow steady colonisation of the political space opened up by the abandonment of w/c communities by the mainstream parties and a poisoning of the well, so that class based politics are removed in favour of racialising social issues - to that racialisation becoming normalised, becoming how people habitually do 'politics'. It's that simple. Any talk about then taking power is political idiocy.

who said march London? Did Adolf March on Berlin, or was he gifted power, after a quick colonisation of the political space?

And what about the way the media etc use your arguments, to legitimate their attacks on immigrants dividing the working class further?

 

[TremulousTetra]

Are you trying to say the situation in 1930's Germany is comparable to the situation we have today in the UK?

are you able to predict how far the current economic depression will go, and the level of social crisis it will create?

You're in cuckoo land if you believe that and you're even more in cuckoo land if you think the BNP will get anywhere close to seizing power.

adolf never seized power, he was gifted control of the state by the conservatives, and a divided working class 'response'.

I notice you sidestepped the question, what about how the media and politicians etc. use the election of/support for fascists to legitimate scapegoating of immigrants, and division of the working class?

 

[TremulousTetra]

I don't know as to whether the 'current plans' of the BNP would include a 'strategy' to 'seize power' of a local council, or two say, but I bet they've discussed it. Would I be 'bonkers' in thinking that?

Napoleon always attacks straw men, instead of attacking the real tactics of the SWP/ANL/UAF, articulated far better than I could on this website.
www.ResistanceMP3.org.uk

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Has anyone ever scored 10 points and known about it at the time?

I have and my friend has - but it was the same one we met, in different cities.

I think, though this may be a mean lefty rumour, that they have 7 members nationally; hence the high score if you meet one.

You know when you've scored cos their paper is called, simply, 1917

 

[TremulousTetra]

The best way to fight fascism would be to stay away from Unite against fascism etc and work within your own community. Get active building up a grass root collective to help the community from all angles, soup kitchens for the poor, bicycle repair workshops for the kids,social centers,etc

I know you think Im talking bollocks but this is where I stand lol.

fully welcome that tactic. Can you tell me where it has undermined the bnp?

 

[sihhi]

Did the IBT reach any conclusions about British fascism and how to fight it?

I can't see anything on the website

http://www.bolshevik.org/

 

[killer b]

chanting, i think.

 

[Bolshevik]

The IBT position on how to fight fascism is outlined in the following articles, the first of which is specifically about Britain although we think the general approach is an international one:

http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no31/SmashBNP.html
http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no22/SL_KKK.htm
http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no14fasc.pdf
http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no13lpen.pdf

 

[sihhi]

:

The IBT position on how to fight fascism is outlined in the following articles, the first of which is specifically about Britain although we think the general approach is an international one:

http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no31/SmashBNP.html

That article is definitely worth a read, the bottom half is very interesting.

But the conclusion:

It is necessary to initiate labor-based “united-front” actions to physically confront and disperse the fascists whenever they attempt to mobilize. Following the Denby debacle, our comrades proposed: “Close tactical cooperation between stewards from each participating organisation could be achieved without blurring the political lines between them, as each group would be free to put forward its own programme in its own name” (ibid).

The basis of a united front to stop the BNP would be an agreement to mobilize sufficient force to prevent the fascists from rearing their heads, and to teach any who dared appear a painful lesson. All organizations committed to ridding the streets of these thugs would be welcome to participate without having to adopt a particular set of political ideas or belong to any sort of front group. Everyone would be free to put forward their own distinctive views. This sort of non-sectarian united-front approach has the potential to attract the broadest number of militants, and thus maximize the chances of dealing serious blows to the fascists.

is hard to achieve, in many parts of the country BNP openly sell papers etc etc. They rear their heads, their arms and their bodies across many town centres in the country.

 

[butchersapron]

Totally and amazingly concentrated on 'the streets' - and how the left groups act on 'the streets'. Rather misses the point that the BNP are only in 'the streets' on their way to work, to the pub, to the legion, to the football, to church, to the allotment, to influence...

A whole three paragraphs before Trotsky was mentioned as well - commendable effort comrades!

 

[The39thStep]

Recipe for anti fascism:

1 medium Trot revolutionary organisation

6 small Trot organisations ( these may be hard to find and you may have to order from a specialist supplier . The International Socialist Group is now registered as organic and is committed to keeping the environment sustainable)

I large social democratic organisation

a street

a fascist/nazi organisation ( Preferabbly a 1930s type one or though 1940s , 1970s and 1980s are acceptable.However these are increasingly difficult to find. if you cannot locate one there are substitutes available .Go for a locally sourced product like EDL)

2000 placards

A large amount of Police

Instructions:

Build united Front by bringing together the three ingredients. Be careful not to blend to hard.

Place united front in street taking care to insert layer of Police between united front and fascists.Sprinke liberally with placards

Serve with a late 1970s red.

 

[past caring]

Serve with a late 1970s red.

Served up, surely?

 

[The39thStep]

Served up, surely?

served up by or with ?

 

[treelover]

Served up by the proles or 'footsoldiers' as the late Chris Harman of the SWP described ordinary activists

 

[trevhagl]

out of curiosity i wonder what way the Urban critics would deal with the BNP?

 

[butchersapron]

Have you never read anything ever posted on these boards about the BNP?

 

[trevhagl]

Have you never read anything ever posted on these boards about the BNP?

answer the question now, you're not a politician...

 

[past caring]

served up by or with ?

Served up, as in its colloquial usage - turned over, run, done, took second prize etc.

 

[butchersapron]

answer the question now, you're not a politician...

There's been millions, yes millions of fucking words spent outlining how what you lump into 'the critics' would go about this. That your one track mind hasn't been able to grasp this is not my problem. You actually don't take in anything that anyone says, anything that you read do you?

You outline your approach then trev as you have yet to do so. Set the example.