ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Adam Tooze's "The Wages of Destruction" goes into the economics of Nazi Germany in great (and interesting) detail.
British Fascism and How to Fight It
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Adam Tooze's "The Wages of Destruction" goes into the economics of Nazi Germany in great (and interesting) detail.
Yeah exactly, I suppose derf thinks the Germanic and Celtic tribes of the dark ages where actually running a magic mushroom and rye bread racket and funding cross border crime waves... or the Native Americans who used various hallucogentic subsutances where actually contributing to the pre-Columbian Mexican drug war
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cantsin
Well-Known Member
A convert indeed.
I'm openly right wing with the limitations I have mentioned.
I am an ex pat and have no problem with paying someone to help me get a better lifestyle.
Who's the twit I wonder. Daft sods working their way to a retirement of poverty until they die or me who retired at 45 to the sun?
Some people are bosses and some get exploited.
That's the way of the world. Live with it baby.
sure, and now you've made your millions you hang around on msg boards talking crap with people you don't know and clearly have no respect for you - keep dreaming whacko
British Fascism and How to Fight It or how to promote it as the case maybe looking around at some of the poster on here 
VP is that a book that is still in print?
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
its what you do anyway
Assumptions are not good arguing points.
Rec drugs are a black and white choice. Simple as that. unless you are addicted you have the choice every time you go out. If you choose to buy them you are supporting the criminal element and all they get up to.
As for human development other than a few poets and th like I don't really know what mind altering drugs have done for us as a species.
Having said that I'm a philistine and consider most poetry to be total wank.
Now some of the artists have dabbed some nice paint in the right places on canvass. Maybe I'm not such a philistine after all.
I would be interested in some examples of drug users doing good for mankind in general and their contribution to human development.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yep, went to paperback after the first two eds in hardback (hardback published by Allen Lane. Pub info is:
Title: The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy.
Author: Adam Tooze.
Publisher: Penguin.
Price: £12.99.
ISBN: 978-0-141-00348-1.
It has a very good bibliography too.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Good book, very useful. There's a really important one Economy and class structure of German fascism by Alfred Sohn-Rethel - he was a marxist economist who worked in the MWT (CBI equivalent) for most of the nazi period (also doing underground resistance work) who edited the paper that business printed for itself (i.e not available to anyone else) that contained the real accurate figures and developments, not the regimes PR. I think it was the first book the Conference of Socialist Economists published as well.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I've had that on my "buy, beg, borrow or steal" list for a while. I think I'll go have a browse on Abe...
BTW, quick brain-pick: Any ideas on a book's author and title that fit the following description?
Female author, book is about the consequences of the treaty of Versailles, how the German state and establishment manipulated the guilt issue, and how historians "revised" the issue, up to and including rubbishing much of the post-WW2 analysis done by the German "baby-boomer" generation.
I read this book a couple of years ago, but can't for the life of me remember enough to get myself a copy.
George Bush never took LSD. Bill Hicks did.
Which of the two has had the worst effect on the planet, Derf?
Bush should be on LSD as he view of the world is really fucking scewed.
Bill Hicks could do some good in Greece if Faith no more sang his quotes there.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I've had that on my "buy, beg, borrow or steal" list for a while. I think I'll go have a browse on Abe...
BTW, quick brain-pick: Any ideas on a book's author and title that fit the following description?
Female author, book is about the consequences of the treaty of Versailles, how the German state and establishment manipulated the guilt issue, and how historians "revised" the issue, up to and including rubbishing much of the post-WW2 analysis done by the German "baby-boomer" generation.
I read this book a couple of years ago, but can't for the life of me remember enough to get myself a copy.
Not ringing any bells i'm afraid. This might interest you though:
Bit pointy headed though.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sounds very interesting.
I'll have to phone my optician and see if I can change my appointment that afternoon.
You say that like it's necessarily a bad thing!
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
the left me to concentrate on connecting with people who vote fascist?ok it is fair to say that the far right can be classified as nazis so what is the point of your classification apart raising the point of WHO you classify as memebers of the bnp which looking around urban usually consists of adopting chav like stereo type questioning there IQ and ultimately alienating the very peole the left need to connect to to effectivly fight facsim
terific
Kenny Vermouth
Wankers
What is the fucking point of all this?
The BNP has no MPs, 0.3 per cent of all council seats and some 2,000 members. Are they a threat to the political life of this country? Are they fuck.
I'll wager their exposure and attractiveness is increased by the children who call themselves anti-fascists and chant inanities outside their meeting halls.
The BNP has no MPs, 0.3 per cent of all council seats and some 2,000 members. Are they a threat to the political life of this country? Are they fuck.
I'll wager their exposure and attractiveness is increased by the children who call themselves anti-fascists and chant inanities outside their meeting halls.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's 12,000 members.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Drugs have given us Max Freakout.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
just say no kids:d
But that doesn't mean they don't have potential. The nazi party had was a nothingness at one point and look what fucking havoc that bunch of pricks managed to cause.
The BNP are fighting above their weight as they have the unspoken support of a good bunch of tabloids with their "pakis eat children" type shit that passes for a news story.
Keep a close eye on the fuckers. I may be out of the country with no intention of returning but I don't need a set of bastards like the BNP ruining it for the people still there.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
so legalise them. Just like with prohibition in America, it is the government that is supporting the criminal element.
drugs reduce a lot of pain caused by spinal injury, which makes me a more productive member of society. But you are completely missing the point. Why should marijuana be illegal, there are many things which are legal which don't necessarily contribute to human development. Why single out marijuana?
Kenny Vermouth
Wankers
Could you point out that story for me.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
I find it funny that a lot of people keep saying "look out for the BNP, they're small now but they could get bigger" but we all know that they'll never get into power.
I mean, we humans are doing so much damage to this earth and the "save our planet" message receives far more coverage in the media and elsewhere than anti-racism yet the Green party are still tiny. It's a two party system, always has and always will under FPTP.
So, in conclusion, yes we must fight the BNP but don't kid ourselves into thinking they'll seize power.
I mean, we humans are doing so much damage to this earth and the "save our planet" message receives far more coverage in the media and elsewhere than anti-racism yet the Green party are still tiny. It's a two party system, always has and always will under FPTP.
So, in conclusion, yes we must fight the BNP but don't kid ourselves into thinking they'll seize power.
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
thats what they said about adolf, but the credit crunch then, was ONE of the factors that contributed to turn the " but we all know that they'll never get into power" 'logic', on its head. Plus in the here and now the election of fascists is used by the media/etc to 'justify' the immigration rantings.
no you are talking sense in my imho
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Are you trying to say the situation in 1930's Germany is comparable to the situation we have today in the UK?
You're in cuckoo land if you believe that and you're even more in cuckoo land if you think the BNP will get anywhere close to seizing power.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep. It's bonkers. As pointed out time and again on here, the danger of the BNP is not a march on London and a powerr grab but a slow steady colonisation of the political space opened up by the abandonment of w/c communities by the mainstream parties and a poisoning of the well, so that class based politics are removed in favour of racialising social issues - to that racialisation becoming normalised, becoming how people habitually do 'politics'. It's that simple. Any talk about then taking power is political idiocy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
With that kind of storyline, surely it's one that you wrote, Kenny?
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