Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Oh dear, oh dear,
Is froggy baby trying to make out that I'm a racist?
One off the mark on that one mucker.
Where did fg even mention racism?
British Fascism and How to Fight It
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Where did fg even mention racism?
audiotech
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Sure there are. Spout too much socialist clap trap and the nazis will rise.
Oddly that's half the reason the BNP are doing so well. So much lefty shit about how racist we all are makes the less bright think the BNP offers them something.
This was posted on Redwatch by your racial comrades in arms. Some interesting comments from your fuhrer.
My emphasis.
I haven't visited Redwatch recently, but those that have say it's been terminated.
Not anything of mine is Nicky baby.
The bloke's a fucking idiot with bent ideas that one race is better than others.
Not exactly my cup of tea.
The thick and the stupid are turning to the BNP because they read shitty stories in the rags and believe them. Add to that the left leaning nutters spouting on about how blackboards and stuff are racist and you have a BNP needs you poster printed in their minds.
Either the left parties are full of BNP members trying their best to make up stupid shit or the lefties are even dafter than I ever thought possible.
I may be a capitalist quite happy to exploit the masses and I may believe that the drug trade is evil but I'm NOT a racist.
I would be pretty shit at it anyway being in a mixed marriage and having a mixed race child.
The bloke's a fucking idiot with bent ideas that one race is better than others.
Not exactly my cup of tea.
The thick and the stupid are turning to the BNP because they read shitty stories in the rags and believe them. Add to that the left leaning nutters spouting on about how blackboards and stuff are racist and you have a BNP needs you poster printed in their minds.
Either the left parties are full of BNP members trying their best to make up stupid shit or the lefties are even dafter than I ever thought possible.
I may be a capitalist quite happy to exploit the masses and I may believe that the drug trade is evil but I'm NOT a racist.
I would be pretty shit at it anyway being in a mixed marriage and having a mixed race child.
The best way to fight Fascism is to highlight the lies the peddle especially the ones about them not being racists which is absoulte bullshit, and the other one about they're taking our jerbbbsss..... If a job is there why didnt they take it instead of bitching about someone from another country taking it in their place. Facists are just a bunch of toffs and idlers who have never wanted to work like Mosley and blame others for working.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Oh dear, oh dear,
Is froggy baby trying to make out that I'm a racist?
One off the mark on that one mucker.
Nope, she's noting the irony in an exploitative right-wing expat twit telling the folk back home how to deal with fascism.
Isn't derf a British Muslim himself?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
"Blackboards"? That was a lie that was printed in one of the tabloids in the 80's; the political correctness that never existed but was given life in mythologising editorials.
"Blackboards"? Is this cunt for real?
I'm a white British Muslim living in Indonesia with my Indonesian wife and out 10 month old baby.
I would make a very bad racist but I am a Tory and I have no problem with using people to help me make money.
I hate drugs as they cause so many problem for the users, their families, society in general and hurt so many in the supply chain. Toss in the secondary crime and that makes drugs a real bastard for me.
I was active in the anti racist movement in the UK working with asylum seekers teaching them basic spoken English (Free of charge) and with local councils.
I was a member of or often visited several other local groups helping foreign visitors to the UK when they had problems.
I also acted as an unofficial go between for the local Chinese and the police as I had connections in both helping bring issues to the attention of the fuzz.
Many were illegals so shy of authority meaning that crimes were going unreported.
Right wing I may be when it comes to business and crime but not the stupid right extreme that would fuck up the UK if they ever got power.
So Mr V (fucking) P stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Hope that clears things up.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So Mr V (fucking) P stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
So basically you can't deny that you're all the things I called you in my post, then?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yes, a convert, I believe.
That doesn't mean he can't be exploitative, a twit, right-wing or an expat, does it?
A convert indeed.
I'm openly right wing with the limitations I have mentioned.
I am an ex pat and have no problem with paying someone to help me get a better lifestyle.
Who's the twit I wonder. Daft sods working their way to a retirement of poverty until they die or me who retired at 45 to the sun?
Some people are bosses and some get exploited.
That's the way of the world. Live with it baby.
cozmikbrew
Bass case
smug twat
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
First to cozmikbrew. Yes I am and happy too. Jealous?
Morality is not a fixed concept. Lets take the case of the servant. She had a wage and a nice safe place to live, I also sent her to school when her own mother said it wasn't needed.
I gave her far lighter and easier work than she had before and has now.
In employing her I gave her a better life for a short while. Is that so bad?
You should see the number here that don't have anything at all.
So by soft arm chair standards I was exploiting her but by local standards I was doing her a favour.
Think of the bright side VP, I'm a caring capitalist and very anti the far right fascist movement even if the left mirror of the fascists on the far left think I am.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It's value-loaded...isn't that right, derf?
There's no such thing. You even admitted to "exploiting" people. You can't care and exploit at the same time.
No my good man/lady/whatever.
It depends on where you are standing.
If you are in a nice place where people have the cash to live and kids all have the chance to go to school it's immoral. If the kid has no chance to get an education and she is able to get a job with light work and good conditions is better than the alternatives.
Yes I have in the past exploited labour. They get paid the least I can get away with to allow me to make greater profit. That's business.
That does not mean I don't care about others as I have done lots of work for free in the past to help others that can't help themselves.
I had the cash to be able to give up my time, fuel and so on to do so.
Now I've retired out here I spend even more time helping others for free.
Think of the bright side, if I had just worked like a muppet until I was 65 I could not have done the nice things for others that I did in the UK and am doing here.
So I'm a bastard in some ways but good in others. Live with it.
Still i admire your ability to debate in open forum unlike smokedout who is happy to send abusive PMs but won't debate in public.
Now there's a tosspot in the first degree,
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
No my good man/lady/whatever.
It depends on where you are standing.
If you are in a nice place where people have the cash to live and kids all have the chance to go to school it's immoral. If the kid has no chance to get an education and she is able to get a job with light work and good conditions is better than the alternatives.
Yes I have in the past exploited labour. They get paid the least I can get away with to allow me to make greater profit. That's business.
That does not mean I don't care about others as I have done lots of work for free in the past to help others that can't help themselves.
I had the cash to be able to give up my time, fuel and so on to do so.
Now I've retired out here I spend even more time helping others for free.
Think of the bright side, if I had just worked like a muppet until I was 65 I could not have done the nice things for others that I did in the UK and am doing here.
So I'm a bastard in some ways but good in others. Live with it.
Still i admire your ability to debate in open forum unlike smokedout who is happy to send abusive PMs but won't debate in public.
Now there's a tosspot in the first degree,
All of this to tell me that it isn't value-loaded? You're not paying much attention, are you?
Capitalism is incapable of caring; it is an method of economic organisation: not a social system or an ideology.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No my good man/lady/whatever.
It depends on where you are standing.
If you are in a nice place where people have the cash to live and kids all have the chance to go to school it's immoral. If the kid has no chance to get an education and she is able to get a job with light work and good conditions is better than the alternatives.
Yes I have in the past exploited labour. They get paid the least I can get away with to allow me to make greater profit. That's business.
That does not mean I don't care about others as I have done lots of work for free in the past to help others that can't help themselves.
I had the cash to be able to give up my time, fuel and so on to do so.
Now I've retired out here I spend even more time helping others for free.
Think of the bright side, if I had just worked like a muppet until I was 65 I could not have done the nice things for others that I did in the UK and am doing here.
So I'm a bastard in some ways but good in others. Live with it.
Still i admire your ability to debate in open forum unlike smokedout who is happy to send abusive PMs but won't debate in public.
Now there's a tosspot in the first degree,
Didn't your family ever teach you that self-praise is no recommendation, derf?
That's like saying all socialists are far left commies or all niggers have rhythm.
Blanket statements using dehumanising words to cover all instead of treating people like individuals.
Capitalism comes in many forms and treated in different ways by different people.
I'm capable and happy to use workers to make me money but while doing the best for my business in most ways I also gave up time to help people in real need. No way could I have done that if I hadn't run my business to make money.
Same goes here. I have employed many people but this time I paid a little above the going rate in this area but I demanded hard work for the cash.
The ones that fucked about got fucked off.
Business is business not a club for lazy fuckers to rip it off.
I demand value for money even now.
As I said I have a limited budget so if I start splashing cash around to people for nothing I would have to cut something else. That would not be things I have for me or my family but things done for others.
Perhaps true but not in business.
On a serious note so many think I'm the biggest cunt on the planet because I stand against 'enjoyment' in favour of people who suffer for that fun or refuse to accept that a kid flashing his wedding tackle is just a nice kid even if he and his mates are known to fire bomb the coppers.
I refuse to accept these clearly biased stories at face value and feel it's better to see both sides before coming to a conclusion.
I'm not afraid to voice my opinion or ask questions that many would like to see not asked.
If that makes me a bastard/troll/cunt and the things that the coward 'smokedout' called me in his abusive PM while making it clear I could not answer as I was on his ignore list then I accept it but thinking is better that blindly following a bent story any day of the week.
So yes VP. I agree but since most of the lefty types here see me as a troll for voicing opinions I thought I may as well set the record straight.
Not that many of the braindead fools will care anyway. They want their drugs regardless of the damage or their orgy of violence in revenge of some little flasher who got himself shot by his own stupidity
Truth doesn't come into an argument if you want your side so much you don't give a shit about anything or anyone. You only have to see the posts on these two subjects to see that.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Oh, especially in business. If you're fool enough to listen to someone's own self-recommendation rather than scoping them out, then you deserve everything bad that will undoubtedly come your way.Perhaps true but not in business.
So a poster sends you an abusive PM, so treat it with the respect it deserves: None.
It's not about you voicing your opinions, anyway, it's about your dogmatism, about your certainty that your way is better, about the simplistic way you reduce every issue (what we call "reductive reasoning" or "reductionism") to a binary opposition of right/wrong, good/bad.
Life isn't that simple. Everything would be a damn sight easier if it were, but it isn't, so we have to look into the grey areas and make judgement calls, because otherwise things go wrong.
See what I mean about reductionism?
Truth is subjective. In order to try and find out what really happened we need to go beyond the "truth" that various parties put forward, and actually look at what PROOF those parties offer for their "truth", rather than taking media representations as read.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Thing is, most capitalists will argue that mediated capitalism, i.e. those forms of capitalism that are overtly regulated, aren't "capitalism" at all, so when one makes a "blanket statement" about capitalism, one may be taking capital at it's own words and not including the more obviously mediated forms.
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Originally Posted by derf
That's like saying all socialists are far left commies or all niggers have rhythm.
Blanket statements using dehumanising words to cover all instead of treating people like individuals.
Capitalism comes in many forms and treated in different ways by different people.
What do you mean by the use of that N word dickhead?
Originally Posted by derf
That's like saying all socialists are far left commies or all niggers have rhythm.
Blanket statements using dehumanising words to cover all instead of treating people like individuals.
Capitalism comes in many forms and treated in different ways by different people.
What do you mean by the use of that N word dickhead?
To show that dehumanising blanket words are foolish.
No matter if you are an extremist on the left using 'fascist' to cover anyone you don't agree with or a nut job on the right using 'nigger' to make people who happen to have a different skin colour seem something less than what they are, just people.
Both extremes do the same thing, just about different groups. Hope that clears any misunderstanding.
All ads are self recommendation. You just have to sort out what you believe. More so over here where the laws are about where they were in 1970s UK.
Simplistic? yes to an extent but sometimes it is. In the case of rec drugs it is simplistic. You choose to do or not do.
If you choose to do that makes you part of all that goes on in the trade of your chosen drug and any other that the dealer and supply chain are in to.
In the case of Greek politics it's not so black and white but the posts on the case in question are so loaded it's amazing.
I don't know the law in that country but here the thread title it's self would be illegal assuming murder with no court case and only the evidence of witnesses who have clear bias.
The left comrades are slinging words like fascist about for the police with no knowledge of who these PEOPLE are and assuming all are the same.
They are trying to gain political power using violence and clear rewriting of historical events in their favour.
All traits you would expect from real fascists. I have as much respect for them as I do silly PMs, none.
As for capitalism I'm a bit middle ground for the most part. Too little regulation sees the very greedy doing as they did on the sub prime market but too much makes business so difficult it forces companies cost far too high.
This effects the company's profits but also impacts on employment.
Too much regulation is in no one's interest.
I left the truth while last as it's such a complicated issue. Truth isn't always about the reality of the world but often about your version of the world.
So some bloke out on a Friday night doing a bit of E may think it's harmless fun. For them it may well be but when you look at what happens to one of them from time to time and what happens in the supply chain much of the time it becomes so much more.
Same goes for politics of all types. Politicians of whatever flavour tend to be more for themselves ot party politics than the people they are supposed to represent. the further away from the political centre you move the more this tends to be true.
I now look at press from all angles and try to form an opinion based on that and past experience along with information from other sources where I can.
Some press is clearly biased. The UK tabloids tend to be a bit of a joke as does VAO, Russia today and Press TV(Iran) but others including the BBC and Al Jazeera tend to be more clear minded (Not always).
Personal experience tends to colour my opinions more than anything else as I'm sure it does for most people. I've seen mates smoking home grown pot and others using coke, E and so on but never seen any good come from it's use. I've seem lots of bad right up to knife attacks by people off thier head and mates dead of drug abuse.
Dead or not dead is pretty black and white.
lobster
Well-Known Member
How about looking at the Nazis and seeing what good they did for the Germans? which amounts to very little.
Take unemployment for example.
By the end of 1930 unemployment was 4 million, 15.3 per cent of the population. 1932 over 30 per cent of the German workforce was unemployed.
German economy recovered in 1933 a bit when Hitler came to power , weather that was due to them is still debated to this day?? A lot say its was just coincidence that he was elected then.
labour-saving machinery was partly banned to increase manual work ,employers were very restricted and firing people needed government permission . By 1937 German unemployment had gone down from 6 million to 1 million but the standard of living for those working did not improve in the same way that it started in the 1920s. The Nazis controlled the labour unions, wages were not higher due to more productivity.
This should of course be analysed properly as today bnp and other far right often say things like they taking away our jobs where we can counter-act that with examples from the nazi-age where hitler really did not improve workers conditions , wages and so on .
Overall I think instead of looking at the evil stuff which many of the bnp supporters don't support, we should look at the so called socialism in national socialism and explain that it did not work at all.
Take unemployment for example.
By the end of 1930 unemployment was 4 million, 15.3 per cent of the population. 1932 over 30 per cent of the German workforce was unemployed.
German economy recovered in 1933 a bit when Hitler came to power , weather that was due to them is still debated to this day?? A lot say its was just coincidence that he was elected then.
labour-saving machinery was partly banned to increase manual work ,employers were very restricted and firing people needed government permission . By 1937 German unemployment had gone down from 6 million to 1 million but the standard of living for those working did not improve in the same way that it started in the 1920s. The Nazis controlled the labour unions, wages were not higher due to more productivity.
This should of course be analysed properly as today bnp and other far right often say things like they taking away our jobs where we can counter-act that with examples from the nazi-age where hitler really did not improve workers conditions , wages and so on .
Overall I think instead of looking at the evil stuff which many of the bnp supporters don't support, we should look at the so called socialism in national socialism and explain that it did not work at all.
where the ultra-lefts and the liberals agree...
Great moniker. Are you in a boy band?
And that catch-all reference covers it all folks. No thought what-so-fucking-ever towards what roles certain drugs have played within human development in history or anything like that. Just the black and white argument that if you buy drugs, you fund criminality. The here and now. Cops good, users, bad.
I tell you what derf, attempt to grow a mind because I'd like to have a chat with you once you do. You've got the potential to be interesting.
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