Britain is a toilet

[KeyboardJockey]

Rose-tinted spectacles mate. The tories were far more corrupt and incompetent than New Labour could ever be.

Think about the scandals involving David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Steven Milligan, Joathan Aitken and Piers Merchant to name but a few. These are far worse than a few undeclared donations or fast-tracking your nanny's visa application.

It wasn't the endemic corrruption that exists under NL though was it? A bit of playing away and a bit of lying but nothing like the degradations of our political life under NL.

 

[Poot]

What crap. I went to a comp and I can read and write okay.

1950's really that great an era? No education for a lot of special needs and what there was was institutionalising kids miles away from their parents because they were deaf or something.. from the age of five.


Think before you write such guff.

I also feel very positive about raising a child in Britain in the 2000s, because whatever life chucks at him, whether he's disabled, dyslexic, whatever his sexuality turns out to be, and all manner of other things, he'll do better here than pretty much anywhere else at any time previously. Whilst I don't necessarily think Britain is BETTER than anywhere else, it's not a bad place, I don't think.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

And some people are just educated, informed and able enough to give Britain a fair chance rather than recycling stock responses from the bumper book of 'It's not as good as it used to be'

Ive given Britain a fair chance. Done my bit. Got fuck all in return.

Comparatively few people come to Britain 'blind' - there's a reason why they head here. And it's not just as simplistic as they're 'in fear of their lives' as you well know
?

Agree some people come here as they have specialist work skills.

 

[poster342002]

And yet it's still better than living in a shanty-town outside Kolkatta.

Yes - and it only looks good when that type of yardstick is used as a comparitor. Not exactly a ringing endorsement: "The UK - it's better than a shanty town in Culcutta!"

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Amazing the depths of self-delusion and desperate justifications he'll come up with, isn't it?


<---- Reality


Alarmist, embittered "Daily Mailesque' Parody of World ---->


Which way do you think KJ"s gone?

I'd say reality myself.

 

[_angel_]

I also feel very positive about raising a child in Britain in the 2000s, because whatever life chucks at him, whether he's disabled, dyslexic, whatever his sexuality turns out to be, and all manner of other things, he'll do better here than pretty much anywhere else at any time previously. Whilst I don't necessarily think Britain is BETTER than anywhere else, it's not a bad place, I don't think.

I'd rather take the school system now than the very unfair grammar/ selective process that wrote kids off, effectively, at the age of eleven.

And deny any kid with a special need an education/ condemn them as 'stupid' for being dyslexic.

There are things wrong with our political leaders *whom should be shot frankly* but Britain is not a toilet.

 

[JHE]

France Spain and Germany are where appeals to me

Excellent. Spain is my second favourite country.

Once you've settled in, though, and have overcome the initial enthusiasm based on excitement at having moved there, allow for the possibility of a more nuanced view of Britain and your adopted home. Some things are better in one place. Some things are better in the other. Some are just different without being better or worse.

And please don't expect a complete absence of corruption or you'll be very disappointed. Britain, IMO, is comparatively uncorrupt.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Yes - and it only looks good when that type of yardstick is used as a comparitor. Not exactly a ringing endorsement: "The UK - it's better than a shanty town in Culcutta!"

Yup. That sort of stuff stinks of an attitude of 'get back to your prole holes and count yourself lucky'

 

[Maggot]

It wasn't the endemic corrruption that exists under NL though was it? A bit of playing away and a bit of lying but nothing like the degradations of our political life under NL.

Give me some examples of New labour's 'Endemic corruption'.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Excellent. Spain is my second favourite country.

Once you've settled in, though, and have overcome the initial enthusiasm based on excitement at having moved there, allow for the possibility of a more nuanced view of Britain and your adopted home. Some things are better in one place. Some things are better in the other. Some are just different without being better or worse.

And please don't expect a complete absence of corruption or you'll be very disappointed. Britain, IMO, is comparatively uncorrupt.

At least the corruption is relatively open and you know who is and who isn't bought.

Agree there is good and bad but I've had enough of trying to struggle for fuck all.

 

[tarannau]

Although there were problems as you say re special needs there was a respect for education and an acceptance that education meant improvement. This we have lost. We did have a working class that aspired to be better now we have a working class that is content to be placated by Pap Idol.

Oh yes, because Billy Bunter and Just William were all wholesome characters weren't they? There was obviously widespread equality of education back then -the working classes all got the very best of the deal, not at all had to endure because they 'knew their place' better.

And just think how much happier we all were when we all aspired to wear monocles and were placated by the appearances of the monarchy wearing funny bejewelled hats. Treated them like gods we really did.

Are you doing this for a laugh or something?

 

[El Jefe]

Agree there is good and bad but I've had enough of trying to struggle for fuck all.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Give me some examples of New labour's 'Endemic corruption'.

PFI
Cash for Peerages
Agreements with Murdoch
Third Runway at Heathrow
ID Card contracts
IT contracts in general

Thats just for starters

 

[Kizmet]

Yes - and it only looks good when that type of yardstick is used as a comparitor. Not exactly a ringing endorsement: "The UK - it's better than a shanty town in Culcutta!"

But not as good as Denmark.

Putting us somewhere in the middle.

It's like that old saying about the glass of water being half full or half empty... the correct answer is neither.. you have some water.

 

[tarannau]

I'd say reality myself.

Yes, but only the Archduke of Misery and Discontent (Aka Poster 342002) seems to be agreeing with you. What should that tell you?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Oh yes, because Billy Bunter and Just William were all wholesome characters weren't they? There was obviously widespread equality of education back then -the working classes all got the very best of the deal, not at all had to endure because they 'knew their place' better.

And just think how much happier we all were when we all aspired to wear monocles and were placated by the appearances of the monarchy wearing funny bejewelled hats. Treated them like gods we really did.

Are you doing this for a laugh or something?

Are you posting the way you do to increase your 'right on' score or sometihng

FFS You are changing the subject to one of private schools etc when I was talking about the GENERAL level of education in the working classes. This was done by people seeing the value of education and getting off their arses and getting an education either at school or a combination of school an dnight classes. Today however we have the ludicrous situation where foreign language oral exams are being phased out because they 'stress' the students. Fuck me if you cant speak a language that you have learned in an exam situation how are you going to get the confidence to use it in real life.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Yes, but only the Archduke of Misery and Discontent (Aka Poster 342002) seems to be agreeing with you. What should that tell you?

That those people making the criticisms are a) doing very nicely thank you and b) are not suffering the same shit that others are.

 

[Kizmet]

That those people making the criticisms are a) doing very nicely thank you and b) are not suffering the same shit that others are.

Why?

 

[ymu]

Rose-tinted spectacles mate. The tories were far more corrupt and incompetent than New Labour could ever be.

Think about the scandals involving David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Steven Milligan, Joathan Aitken and Piers Merchant to name but a few. These are far worse than a few undeclared donations or fast-tracking your nanny's visa application.

Mellor had sex in a Chelsea shirt. Archer had sex with a prostitute and lied about it in court. Milligan auto-asphyxiated in titillating circumstances. Merchant had sex with his researcher. These things are important how?

I'm not defending the Tories record - they were thieving lying cunts too - but I'm gobsmacked at the choice of these examples. A "dodgy" (or merely no longer private) sex life is more damning than committing fraud? WTF?!

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Why?

If you are doing well you are not going to be as aware of how shit things are as to a certain extent you are insulated from such problems. They may not have to suffer increased waits for housing and other resources and may live in much lower crime areas as wel for example.

 

[El Jefe]

That those people making the criticisms are a) doing very nicely thank you and b) are not suffering the same shit that others are.

That's a hell of a leap, and not one you can begin to substantiate.

 

[tarannau]

That those people making the criticisms are a) doing very nicely thank you and b) are not suffering the same shit that others are.

Yes KJ, you are the only true ones that experience misery and hardship, suffering not so silently so that others may wallow in your whines.

Myself? I live in a shiny wonderland called Brixton, where concepts like degradation, inequality, violent crime and even dirt simply don't exist. No hardship or personal suffering here, oh no sir. You've the only real experience; all of us others are naïve knaves to be lectured to by the likes of bitter old you.

Oh look, there 'the big delusional patronising tosser' fairy flying past right now. ...

 

[Gromit]

The whole world is a toilet. Im off into space.

There is zero corruptionon mars.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm obviously a total cunt of a bastard of a cynic, because as soon as I read the thread title I thought to myself "ah, here's where the forever rightward-marching kbj starts to formulate his apologia for moving to the state of Israel".
I hope I'm wrong.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The whole world is a toilet. Im off into space.

There is zero corruptionon mars.

Just you wait til you get your first Sand Tax bill, and a bunch of immigrants come in and get given a ten-bedroom rock for free. You couldn't make it up.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a hell of a leap, and not one you can begin to substantiate.

But Geoffrey, you don't understand! have you no compassion? KBJ is suffering real existential angst, and all you can do is criticise!

 

[Belushi]

There's a lot wrong with Britain thats for sure but people who seem to think that its uniquely bad really need to spend more time abroad. Everywhere has its share of problems, some of them a lot worse than we expence here.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

That's a hell of a leap, and not one you can begin to substantiate.

Oh I think I can at least in general. Look at the number of decisions affecting the majority which are taken by a minority. Look at the Labour Ministers who don't send their children to local comps? yet they big up how well they are doing. Or those who brought in over liberal law and order policies they all live on fat salaries out in the sticks not with the consequences of their decisions. Similarily those who shout 'immigration is good for you shut up about it' normally don't seem live in the areas that have suddenly been put under immense demographic change. This decision making whilst being divorced from the consequences has very negative effects.

It is negative for the child in a shit school. Negative for the genuine immigrant / asylum seeker as they have to face the anger of locals who've been pushed down to the bottom of the pile yet again and negative for the vunerable who has to live in fear of criminals.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Just you wait til you get your first Sand Tax bill, and a bunch of immigrants come in and get given a ten-bedroom rock for free. You couldn't make it up.

And the you've got that bloody Soup Dragon coming round asking for "insurance money" so your rock doesn't "accidentally catch on fire"...

 

[poster342002]

Yes, but only the Archduke of Misery and Discontent (Aka Poster 342002) seems to be agreeing with you. What should that tell you?

That much of the UK left really doesn't wan to chnage anything, because they're response to anyone complaining about their lot are reactions like yours. Everything must be perfect, eh?