Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by nicedream, May 11, 2014.
I heard rumours from two unrelated people that BF demos are characterised by amphetamine.
That is odd. I'd have thought it was a clear case of contempt of court.
it might have been but are rather special friends avoided contempt of court by harassing random Muslims that had nothing to do with the trial.
the fuckwit defence much like you cant be done for bank robbery if you rob hairdressers by mistake
It's not 'pretty' anything. It's fucking awful. Regardless of the reasons. These fuckwits targeted innocent people and then put them at further risk of abuse/violence by uploading videos in which they claimed to be the heroes. Unpleasant? Don't mean to be rude mate but that is a understatement and doesn't suggest you've much sympathy for those they targeted at all. Too much like 'but other people are targeted for other reasons' kind of whataboutery. Granted you may not mean in that way.
Predictably your ducking the issue.
How much more or less would they have got if the religious motivation was factored out was the question? (And would you also be applauding with the same vigor if the roles were reversed?)
The point I'm making is that politically inspired virtue signalling by the judiciary rarely ends well. Basically because any perception of imbalance is likely to be counter productive in the long run.
Liberals have urged the playing of the race/Islamaphobic card across much of Europe for over a quarter of a century .
And look how well that's turned out.
For someone throwing this kind of accusation around you are pretty backwards in coming fowards about exactly why you are upset.
Spell it out or fuck off with this mealy mouthed, wordy, nonsense.
Politically inspired virtue signalling? You seem to be doing a lot of that yourself with this attempt at opaque whataboutery.
They were rightly found guilty of committing crimes. What problem do you actually have with that?
So making religious motivation an aggravating factor is virtue signalling. What a load of bollocks.
Turning keystone cop, vigilante cunts and fucking up royally by targeting innocent people is okay because the reason they were targeted is they share the same religion as the guilty ones, so yeah...suck it up you virtue signalling liberal fucks.
Taking away the political element, similar offences likely wouldn't have received similar sentences.
How very 1978.
Yeh they can't afford coke
This wasn't "politically inspired virtue signalling" by the judiciary - the Courts have always taken an extremely dim view of people appearing to interfere with the Courts process, they went not guilty despite having filmed themselves committing the offences, and they did it in order to make a point. Having a defence of "but I was only the cameraman" doesn't lend itself to everyone being found not guilty either.
Re th BF FB Page - sentiment seems to have moved to calls for civil war and a military coup.
well, that's not going to happen arrse banned the far right and mockery of said far right because it just wasn't funny anymore and was getting boring and a waste of bandwidth. yes your always going to have a few facists and types in the armed forces but its no more popular than it's in the general population. They did use to regularly attempt to recruit and were more successful than the SWP bt only just.
So your position is 1. The state has found them guilty of committing crimes 2. The state has punished them as it saw fit 3. It is 'mealy mouthed whataboutery' or being 'upset' (eh?) to question the motives of the state or to raise concerns about a similar approach being employed by the state against anti-fascists or anyone engaged in activity that the state wants to make an example of?
Surprised they didn't get contempt of court as well tbh.
The verdict clearly states that in the judge's opinion without the religious/racial motivation Golding and Fransen wouldn't have been there at all. It's meaningless to talk about 'factoring out' the motivation for a crime when without that motivation, there would have been no crime. Maybe it doesn't matter to you why they did what they did but it does matter to those directly affected by it, and those who solely because of their religion or their skin colour are at risk of being targetted by simillar actions.
Calling a hate crime a hate crime is not political correctness, nor does it consitute playing any 'cards' of any colour you care to name.
I am struggling to understand your point, they were convicted of specific hate crimes, which is not uncommon, there was almost 15000 hate-crime prosecutions in 2016-17*, often resulting in jail, including one guy sent down for 2 years for anti-Jewish online rants**.
* Hate-crime prosecutions fall despite rise in reported attacks after Brexit vote
** Neo-Nazi jailed for harassing Labour MP Luciana Berger
How many White, Christian sex offenders are BF known to have targeted or attempted to since their inception?
The ethnicity and religious beliefs of those BF wrongly targeted and abused in this case is pivotal to it being a hate crime...what upsets you about this?
All i'm getting is an echo of but, but, but, but, but...
wrongly targeted and abused? like there's right targeting and abuse by fascist groups?
I'd have thought conspiracy to pervert the course of justice might have been more appropriate.
It’s good when they fight each other tbf.
Its certainly coloured my view of them.
So you wouldn’t have a problem if the sex offender had been white/Christian?
the people who were targeted were NOT sex offenders
did you miss that in your desperation?
I was responding to Rutita’s post where she mentions white/Christian sex offenders.
Did you miss that in your desperation?
that's not mentioned in the post you quoted
Muslim fundamentalists have radicalised former Britain First leader Paul Golding after he spent his first night in prison.
Golding was sentenced to 18 weeks in prison for religiously-aggravated harassment, while fellow Britain First spokesperson Jayda Fransen was also sentenced for the same crime, but for nine months due to multiple counts.
Golding’s staunch anti-Islam stance softened dramatically after a lengthy conversation with his cellmate Manzoor, who explained why his worldview had ‘a number of troubling aspects’.
His conversion to Islam was revealed at breakfast this morning when he greeted the kitchen staff with “As-Salaam-Alaikum”.
As one prison guard explained the incident. They told us, “I’ve seen it many times, these radicals seek out the weak minded, those with a feeble intellect, and before you know it they’re reciting the Koran all day long, calling themselves Mustafa, and growing a beard.
“Paul’s only got a day’s worth of stubble, but the beard has started. It’ll be coming along nicely by the time he gets out in a few weeks time. You’re always much easier to convert if you’re a fundamentalist before you get into prison.
Prison authorities have expressed concerns about the speed with which Golding was radicalised.
Governor Simon Williams told reporters, “Paul Golding was clearly radicalised before lights out last night. It was a surprise to some people, yes.
“The smart money was on him lasting at least a week before capitulating to the Islamic fundamentalists in here.
“I’m fifty quid down to Dave on C-Block, but I’ve gone double or quits on him choosing the name Muhamed Ali.”
Desperate. What the fuck has happened to you? It was clearly a point about the very particular nature of BF and how they are fucking racist hypocrites.
They are not interested in protecting women from sex offenders. They are interested in abusing Muslims. The whole hero shtick is a cover as well you know.
That I have to explain myself and this to you is depressing. Now off you fuck.
Post #618 in the very first sentence.
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