Not a very substantial answer, onket. Don't you think JTG has a point?
Bring back tinnitus!
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Not a very substantial answer, onket. Don't you think JTG has a point?
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dirtysweet
i think JTG has a point - but it's a bit like people telling me not to smoke because i'll get cancer. telling me not to stick my head in speakers, or to drum without earplugs is kinda the same thing.
we used to hand out earplugs to the crowd when we were drumming.
erm...can't remember my point.
Onket
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Yes, I think some selfish cunt might be fucking idiotic enough to attempt to sue over something that's entirely their own fault. But they should never, ever win the case, and therefore it is entirely inadequate as a reason for not having sound at gigs & festivals loud enough.
Hence the cunting rolleyes. But there you go, I've spelt the obvious out for you. Alright?
Hence the cunting rolleyes. But there you go, I've spelt the obvious out for you. Alright?
But if some selfish cunt DOES sue, the promoter or organiser is stuffed. It can and does happen.
So as far as they're concerned, it is an ENTIRELY adequate reason. So while you might think your
neatly encapsulated the case for the opposition, it didn't. 
Lots of outdoor stuff is definitely way too quiet these days - I guess they can't do much about it with the threat of lawsuits but I'd kind of assumed that by buying a ticket I'd assented to some small print in the terms and conditions saying I wouldn't hold the organizers responsible if my ears fell off or my head exploded.
Onket
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Onket
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This appears to be a sensible way to look at it. Anyone else fancy doing that?
No. Only if they succesfully sue.
But they have done, they do. It's a real issue for organisers / promoters. If you can't be bothered to come back with anything more than facile yawns and
, why are you bothering? It's like debating with an 11 year old.
zenie
>^^<
No. Only if they succesfully sue.
They do successfully sue though, that's the point!
it's not lawsuits as such.
it's the fact that the man with the meter has the power to pull the plug on the event if you don't play ball.
i've been to things pointlessly quiet, to the level of not enjoying it due to over officious noise abatement bods.
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
They do successfully sue though, that's the point!
exactly, If there was no real threat of someone being succesfully sued no one would be bothered about it would they?
Even if there was no chance of anyone suing for hearing loss there's still the local council who'd almost certainly put a stop to another festival on the site. so it's a bit short sighted if you want to keep putting stuff on to piss 'em off by being too loud, no?
Yeah, some of those systems at Dragon (free festival/teknival) in Spain in March, were REALLY kicking off on the main first night ... we were camped a quarter of a mile away from most of them, and blimey! were they loud ...
The biggest/loudest rig was Funktion One mind, so would have been pretty safe I guess. Some of the others at the back of dodgy Czech, French or (mainly) UK-registered vans though ....
Even the other two nights, when things clamed down a tad, they were a good deal louder than anything I've expereinced in the UK for a while.
On another note, easily the most popular free items us Info workers were handing out from the Glasto Info points, were earplugs. We had boxes and boxes of the fuckers, and they ran out by Sunday. They weren't just taken for kids either, by any means ...
sherriff rosco
Mostly harmless unless catering is shut.
Yep all about the frequency, not the noise levels. You don't go deaf cos it's too loud, you damage your ears because of poor equipment, least that's how a sound engineer described it to me.
I don't get any ringing at squat parties with Function one, but I go to a legal club with a not very good system and my ears are fucked!
It's the local residents that complain about sound levels.
That I`m afraid is a bit of bollocks. You will still get temporary ear damage off a decent system if it is above your ears` threshold. You also can still damage your hearing with 145db of sub bass ...I know! The fact that you notice it more when a system is badly set-up is just because the freqs that hurt are more obvious! Usually right bang slap around 1-2khz where the middle of our vocal range is? I have tinnitus in my right ear quite noticably ( exactly 800hz tone all day/night!) and it is all self-inflicted, too stoned to notice, damage. As I work now full time in the sound industry it is also noticable how many other people have damage as well but it`s shrugged off as " part of the job" much like accidents on building sites?
On the other side...
The fact that the free party set-ups over the last 10 years have grown from small 5kw systems to the 20 - 30kw beasts that are out now is one of the reasons for more draconian laws. I`m guilty of the " arms-race " of speakers! We started off with a couple of boxes and ended up with a large van full which took an hour to plumb together! We used to be able to hide away somewhere and not be noticed but by the last event we did you could hear us miles away...
But the noise laws are crawling into all work places now..... over 85db, that`ll be ear-plugs all round me thinks...
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Onket
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But they have done, they do. It's a real issue for organisers / promoters. If you can't be bothered to come back with anything more than facile yawns and
You'd know.
We need a common sense law or something. Surely it's only a matter of time.
You'd know.
jesus wept
If you see the other thread, I think the chances of that are getting slimmer.
That's the best sound system I have ever heard, the Valve Sound system. They had to turn it down one night on the Pier at Southsea because it was making the structure vibrate. Sick as fuck
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
Yeah, I can remember doing that once. Never did it again, I don't think fluid is supposed to leak from your ears
I used to actually crawl into the speaker stacks at techno nights on a fairly regular basis. No noticeable damage to my hearing so far and it's more than ten years since I used to get up to that nonsense. Still, I expect I'll pay for it in my dotage..................
It'll be yer knees first.
Onket
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If you can't be bothered to come back with anything more than facile yawns and
You'd know.
jesus wept
Told ya.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
This is true. And the longer you listen the longer your ears need to recover.
In fact an increase of 3 dB means a doubling of power (and means you can safely listen for half as long with each 3 dB increase). I think it's about 8 hours at 80 dB, 4 hours at 83 dB etc...
And you need an increase of ~6dB to get a doubling of subjective loudness, which is a bit worrying.
If you have to shout to be heard by someone standing a metre away from you, the sound level is damagingly high. If you're wearing earbud headphones and other people can hear your music, then it's damagingly loud.
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Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
You will undoubtedly have a notch in your hearing at about 6kHz - most people do. But it also tends to be the high frequency cells that die off first and you won't start to notice until rather a lot of them have gone (and once they're gone, that's it - they can't be replace at the moment).
The first thing one is likely to have problems with is understanding what someone is saying if there is background noise to compete...
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Just to stress that this sound engineer was completely wrong! People can and do go deaf because of exposure to sounds that are too loud.
Onket
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Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I don't understand the difference (or rather, I suspect there isn't a difference but am not quite sure what the noise argument is...).
Can anyone explain?
sherriff rosco
Mostly harmless unless catering is shut.
What people perceive as harsh"noise"... lots of 1 - 2K in a system.
What people perceive as loud .... a well balanced LOUD system.
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What people perceive as loud .... a well balanced LOUD system.
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