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i say not even a yellow as he couldn't have possibly stopped and garcia fell into him whuile doing a twirl to make sure he got a foul, garcia also popped straight back up so he obviously didn'yt think it was anything. or alternativly ban him for 6months as he plays for sunderloand it it would mean we aree more likely to stay up.


dave
 
Kained and Unable said:
i say not even a yellow as he couldn't have possibly stopped and garcia fell into him whuile doing a twirl to make sure he got a foul, garcia also popped straight back up so he obviously didn'yt think it was anything. or alternativly ban him for 6months as he plays for sunderloand it it would mean we aree more likely to stay up.


dave

Couldn't have possibly stopped - honest guvnor....

My big fat spotty arse.

He went in deliberately to clatter Garcia - no doubt whatsoever.

I have to admit I was suprised at the straight red! :D
 
Red in my mind - he wanted to flatten Garcia. There was clear intent, the way he stared at him after the 'challenge' the arm was raised, so it wasn't just a shoulder barge.
 
g force said:
Red in my mind - he wanted to flatten Garcia. There was clear intent, the way he stared at him after the 'challenge' the arm was raised, so it wasn't just a shoulder barge.

It was a couple of seconds after the whistle had blown for the other foul on Garcia.

Sunderland are cloggers - fuck them - they got what they deserved.

Going down!
 
Wowbagger said:
I think I shall defer to David Elleray.

"More significantly for me, Giggs' goal (in the 1999 FA Cup semi-final replay against Arsenal) helps explain why we referee. I am often asked why I subjected myself to so much abuse and criticism. Of course, we referee for many reasons and the desire to be actively involved in the game is the strongest of them. However, I also believe that we get something very special from actually being there when the great moments happen. When asked when I put up with all the negativity I sometimes ask people if they remember Giggs' goal. Most football fans do, and some tell me how fabulous it was to actually have been at Villa Park that night. I then ask them to imagine what it was like to have been about ten yards from Giggs when he started his run; to have been ten yards from him when he scored; and to have been in the centre of the cacophony of noise that heralded the celebrations. Having been on the pitch when Giggs scored that goal and when Beckham scored his from the halfway line against Wimbledon were two sublime footballing moments that I was priveliged to have experienced, not vicariously from the stand or in front of the TV but from almost touching distance. How can you better that apart from actually playing?"

Of course, we've all got our own individual reasons, but you would be extremely hard-pressed to find anyone, whatever level of football he or she officiates at, who does not feel grateful to have been in the middle or on the line when some team or some individual gets it all right and produces a perfect, beautiful move or unstoppable run which ends in a fantastic goal. Maybe we were even allowed to contribute in some small way: perhaps we allowed a good advantage early in the move or were on the spot to make the correct offside decision. It's a beautiful game, and it's even more beautiful when watched from such a unique viewpoint, and it does put all the nasty bits of the game firmly in the shade.

And Wowbagger's been within about 20 yards of me when I scored... which I'm sure was even better! ;)
 
flimsier said:
And Wowbagger's been within about 20 yards of me when I missed a sitter in hilarious fashion... which I'm sure was even better! ;)

Fixed.

NINJA EDIT: I'll get round to answering the questions from this weekend once I finish my dinner and dry out a little.
 
Kained and Unable said:
so mr ref, any possible way that konchesky should have been sent off on saturday?

If it was a foul, it's a textbook example of a red card for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity.

Unfortunately, it's not a foul. It's not even close to being a foul. Dermot Gallagher wins this week's Clanger of the Week competition (with last week's going to Old Mother Riley for not sending Ivan Campo off, and the inagural award to Steve Dunn, who got himself appointed to the Community Shield middle and then proceeded to fail his fitness test).

Relahni said:
Also Wowbagger - the Liverpool v Sunderland match -

Sunderland player A - fouls Luis Garcia

Ref stops game.

Sunderland player B - decides to charge into Garcia knowing that the ref had blown for a free kick etc....

red card or yellow card.

This one's nearly as bad, but not quite. What Welsh does is stupid and deserving of something more than just a quiet word, but I think a yellow card and a severe bollocking should have been sufficient. It also seems that he was sent off because Glenn Turner (the assistant on that side) thought he saw a swinging arm, which is more than a little bizarre. If this wasn't the case, I'd probably be a bit lighter on them because it's a judgement call and the line between unsporting behaviour and violent conduct is extremely fuzzy there, but a swinging arm to shove it indisputably into violent conduct there was not. It's the textbook example of what some of us refer to as an 'orange card': it's not bad enough to be a red for definite, but a yellow doesn't seem to be quite enough punishment.
 
Pretty good Saturday. From what they showed on MotD:

Tottenham-Chelsea

The yellow for Essien was fair. There was at least one covering defender who might possibly have been able to get a tackle in on Davids. Certainly nothing clear-cut enough to send off for there.

The sending-off for Mido I think is justifiable, if possibly slightly harsh. He looks away from the ball and at the man (which is what I think dooms him), and then jumps into him hard leading with the arm, and El Robbo sees this as jumping at an opponent with excessive force. Looking at it after the fact knowing what's going to happen with the aid of replays, it's maybe an orange card instead of an unequivocal red, but I can certainly see why he was sent off. If he didn't look at the man prior to his jump and was still sent off, he'd be justified in feeling hard done by, but he clearly looks at the man before jumping into him and leading with the arm.

The yellow for Cole is a good example of a foul that would have been excessive force had it been harder, or with both feet, but as it was, it was only reckless and a yellow.


Fulham-Everton

First yellow for Neville completely justified. Comes in from behind and pulls his man down: absolutely no way he's doing anything other than fouling the man and yellow is perfectly justified. The second challenge is equally poor in a different way: he's late and nowhere near the ball, a reckless challenge and a second obvious yellow.


Wigan-Sunderland

Yes, the penalty is correct. Leg and arm go across the man and there is contact.


Aston Villa-Blackburn

Good spot by Clatts on the Baros dive. He jumps and then sticks his leg down to make contact with the goalkeeper and goes over.


West Ham-Bolton

Another clear-cut penalty decision.
 
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