So will the Green Party Councillors who've been in coalitions with tories or lib dems be off to Darfur protests then? Christ - with that line about "i accept many will attend on humanitarian grounds" how fucking gracious of you. You can see how that green vicar defected to the old BNP
brilliant SWP hyperbole
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So will the Green Party Councillors who've been in coalitions with tories or lib dems be off to Darfur protests then? Christ - with that line about "i accept many will attend on humanitarian grounds" how fucking gracious of you. You can see how that green vicar defected to the old BNP
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
*coughs*
Would there be large numbers of lefties on the streets if the US (a country seen by many on the left as the centre of modern imperialism) invaded Venezuela (a country that has enjoyed huge amounts of support already from the UK left)? What the fuck do you think?
Mosques were not the main organisers of this protest and it is, frankly, just plain silly that you try to suggest that they were.
Spion
I hear ya
Treelover is the worst kind of chauvinism/racism/nationalism-infected 'left-winger' (I use the term very loosely in his case). He's desparate to find a reason not to support the protests against the attack on Gaza because he has swallowed whole the racist garbage about these terrible muslims. Of course, he's not blind to the horrors the Israelis are inflicting - barely anyone can be unless they're living under a rock. But, whenever Treelover is presented with a political situation he must assess the first thing that happens is a little voice inside says, "What would the BNP say?" All his thinking is coloured by that
What a load of bollocks, again you know fuck all, ask PSC members who know i have raised money for the cause, etc, just unlike you on a debating baord I like to deabte and don't see things in total black and white and try to understand nuances, complications, etc.
'you remind me of Southpaw Punch on other sites, what is it with Trots?
'you remind me of Southpaw Punch on other sites, what is it with Trots?
rioted
redundant
So what was the last demo you actually attended? Did you personally vet all other participants for possible deviancy? Or was it just you?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Even if some members of the SWP are not aware of how ridden they are with Police informants / compromised individuals etc the fact remains that they are.
They have a wonderful ability of transforming any genuine protest movement into a pile of steaming ineffectual shite.
The only reason that they didn't manage it with the Poll Tax was that local groups managed, on the most part, to stand firm. They still tried to set up parallel organisations.
Look what happened with Globalise resistance etc etc.
They have a wonderful ability of transforming any genuine protest movement into a pile of steaming ineffectual shite.
The only reason that they didn't manage it with the Poll Tax was that local groups managed, on the most part, to stand firm. They still tried to set up parallel organisations.
Look what happened with Globalise resistance etc etc.
rioted
redundant
Surely you're thinking Militant. Over the Poll Tax the SWP were relatively non-sectarian.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Only beause they got caught out and left behind by not originally supporting the non-payment campaign and arguing that only council workers who were to process the forms had the potential to defeat it.
Unlike much of the far left, i also have major concerns about what is happenng in this country as well, such as , you know , the ongoing destruction of the welfare state, pensioners dying through fuel poverty, etc. Sadly not many demos been called about these issues, only events 1000's of miles away,
wood for the trees...
Read Seth Freedman on CIF to see what nuance means
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/06/gaza-israelandthepalestinians
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/06/gaza-israelandthepalestinians
winjer
holocene death beat
And what have you done to change that?
Also, stop avoiding the question: what was the last demo you actually attended?
Fedayn
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Oh how utterly delicious.... Mistaking utterly clueless for non-sectarian. A leading SWPer up here, name of Keir Mckechnie will go down in hilarious infamy with his claim that Non-payment is like not paying your bus fare you'll just get thrown off. The SWP argued quite clearly that non-payment wasn't a winner and that non-compliance was the only way to fight it.
winjer
holocene death beat
maybe treelover is concerned with the non sexy underbelly of everday life, pensioners freezing, working class people, those who are marginalised within british society.
audiotech
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It appears to me that tl just uses their plight to attack 'the left' which, if true, is pretty fucking despicable really?
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
That is just a vile smear and says much more about you than it says about Treelover.
I hardly agree with Treelover about anything but that doesn't make him a bad person and it certainly doesn't make him a BNP supporter.
But I've learned something about you.
if your not with us your aginst us speaks volumes really, no discourse outside the liberal trendy scene
DownwardDog
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That is a fucking ridiculous and offensive thing to say about TL. Well out of order.
too right HR
and clearly this makes him israels number one supportter and an enemy of the palestinian for the likes of spion
spion, treelover is just sick of so much time and effort being spent by many on the left on trying to influence thngs we can NOT influence when so many of these people are NOT doing the day to day stuff that needs doing
spion sometimes i really think you are thick .. mostly i don't but this ^^ says, simply, thick .. no actually really it is leftist dogmatism that says that people an only be one thing or another, still dogmatism is thick so i'll stick with that
.. what you have written is utterly incorrect and you should apologise
audiotech
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That is apparent nonsense and you know it. Many on the left work hard in their communities and workplaces, some are victimised for their activities. Yours and TL's continued narrow view of what you believe a 'lefty' to be does not help the discussion here, but if it makes you both feel better about yourselves, then hey.
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