Brilliant news for Tipi Valley

[Mrs Magpie]

Oh dear. Green ink. This does not bode well.

 

[DAN 1]

Thank You Mrs. Magpie

I'm sorry she didn't leave her story before she left.

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[DAN 1]

Ooops?

Mrs Magpie? Have I erred in some way. Is green not a good color for the Welsh or Tipi People?

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Mrs Magpie]

It has a long, long history....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_ink

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Mrs Magpie? Have I erred in some way. Is green not a good color for the Welsh or Tipi People?

Respectfully, DAN 1

posting like you are busy brainstorming some sort of sociology essay probably isnt a good idea whichever colour you post in....
respectfully... LMHF

 

[DAN 1]

Tally Valley hasn't got planning permission as a whole, Brig Oubridge has got it for 3 benders/tipis and a wagon. There's still another 100 or so people there without it.

Ground Elder chants the following mantra: "Dub's a hippy, Dub's a hippy"

Uh...whuts uh "bender"?

DAN 1

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Google is your friend...handy little tool, google.
www.bbc.co.uk/kent/voices/horse_drawn.shtml

 

[DAN 1]

Thanks Mrs. Magpie and LilMissHissyFit

I went and read the Wikepedia article. Fascinating stuff. Didn't know all that about myself.

Because of assumptions on your respective parts I seem to be off to a bad start here.

But, I do see how one could imagine such things about me. Afterall, I do write a lot.

But, I really started here hoping I could learn more about Tipi Valley and its relationship to the Welsh. I am succeeding. Your responses seem to be "Old Tribal" in the sense that you do not welcome this stranger with common courtesy, but seem suspicious somehow of my entry into this string. I'm sorry if I frighten you, but I came in Peace and Friendship and do not wish you any harm. I could assume from this that you two are Welsh, but, I really am not sure. Are you?

At anyrate, you both are my very first contacts here and I appreciate your taking the time to respond to me.

I do hope that there may be other responses to my questions...maybe even some of them a little more positive in nature.

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Read the BBC article, the wiki article was helpful advice.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

btw, I'm not Welsh (apart from a great-great granny somewhere) and I don't live in Wales. I am however one of the moderators on this site. I saw you were hoping for a reply from someone who posted once a long time ago and never came back and was trying to save you wasted anticipation of a reply.

Seriously, ditch the green ink, it won't win you friends and you may influence people in an way that's unhelpful to your research.

 

[DAN 1]

Thank You Mrs Magpie

You are right. I will do my own research next time. Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to respond again. I think you are great...I now understand what a "bender" is.

Sort of like the "wickiups" in this part of the world. I will be building something similar soon.

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Mrs Magpie]

What part of the world are you in?

 

[DAN 1]

Yes mam

I am here to possibly make friends not enemies. I will take your sincere advice and ditch the green ink. Though it does feel like I am losing a part of what i am. Oh well. It is only here and I might have much to gain by complying.

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Are you in the US or Canada?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I do know that a medicine man called Lame Deer visited the valley in Wales. I don't know, but he was Sioux, I think.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

This man I think....
www.ilkahartmann.com/members/jbrave/phototext.nsf/topiclu/E5096D62FDD7D14D88256D8D000119C8

 

[DAN 1]

Ansering Mrs Magpie

I am in California Mrs Magpie. The "wickiups" I mentioned are built by the "Miwuk People" here. (As historic display). They are Original Americans. They cover their structures with pieces of bark.

However, though they use poles like the Benders, they arrange them in a radial fashion and not in rows.

Though the Miwuks are proud of their ancient heritage they have become strong in the "modern world" through the construction and operation of a couple of casinos. They have really set a good example of being beneficial to the communities around them through contributions.

Sorry. California...foothills of the Sierra Nevadas...Sonora.

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[DAN 1]

I do know that a medicine man called Lame Deer visited the valley in Wales. I don't know, but he was Sioux, I think.

He sure looks Sioux. Definately an Original People of Turtle Island Man.

I wonder what attracted him to Tipi Valley? You know...how did he find out? Did someone there invite him? Or was he guided there by Spirit.

And why did he go?

I'll see if I can find him online and get him to tell me about his experience in Tipi Valley, Wales.

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I've heard of wickiups, I think that according to the general environment and weather conditions the covering can change. They're the same thing as a wigwam aren't they?

Actually, I'm not sure that link I posted of the medicine man is right. Looks a bit too young. Maybe his father visited. I used to live in the same house as a family who afterwards moved to the Valley and have been there for 30 years or more.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

He went because of a prophesy about the children of white men living in tipis.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

My research tells me that the pic is of the same man....sadly, my research also tells me he died in 2001.

 

[DAN 1]

Too Late To Talk To Lame Deer

I had hoped to ask him some things. I am sorry i am too late to do so.

I did email the photographer and might be able to learn more from her. Still waiting for the reply.

But what you told me is good wood for my fire. To check out a prophecy indicates that he and maybe his people took the Tipi Folks in Wales seriously.

Maybe I can find out from the Sioux what became of Lame Deers mission.

So, Mrs Magpie? Are the inhabitants of the two "benders" Roma or "Gypsy"? And of the wagon? The term "Travellers" means Roma or Gypsy?

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[free spirit]

Traveller in the UK covers the range from Roma / gypsy to 'new age' traveller ie. people who took up the travelling lifestyle over the last few decades but don't come from travelling family backgrounds... also a fair few travellers with Irish roots who may or may not come from previous generations of Irish travellers.

as a quick rough overview.

 

[DAN 1]

Thanks For The Overview Free Spirit

Good Morning to yuh.

I am grateful to you sir. What you have shared with me helps me to understand.

So, let me see if I have this right in my mind?

A long time ago the Roma came to Albion and continued their lifestyle. (Do you know when?)

Then some of the Celtic Irish decided to adopt the Roma lifestyle. (When did they do this?) ((And did they copy Roma that had gone to Ireland or did the Irish come to England or Wales and take up the Roma lifestyle?)) (((or both?)))

Did the decoration of the wagons and benders change with the Irish influence?
Did the Irish Travellers travel with the Roma Clans, or strictly on their own?
Then a few of the Flower Children in the late 60's or 70's took up this Traveller lifestyle?
Did they also adopt the Roma style wagons? Did the decorations change even more?
All of this is really fascinating in my mind. Because I am very interested in Nomadic Lifestyles.

One last question in this post. Have any Welsh taken up the Roma Lifestyle?

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Ground Elder]

A long time ago the Roma came to Albion and continued their lifestyle. (Do you know when?)

Timeline

Then some of the Celtic Irish decided to adopt the Roma lifestyle. (When did they do this?) ((And did they copy Roma that had gone to Ireland or did the Irish come to England or Wales and take up the Roma lifestyle?)) (((or both?)))

Irish Traveller history (pdf)

Did the decoration of the wagons and benders change with the Irish influence?

Not as far as I know. Benders weren't decorated.

Did the Irish Travellers travel with the Roma Clans, or strictly on their own?

There was and still is some cross over, but Irish Travellers and Romanies are two distinct cultures. Irish and Romanies don't usually travel together, but do sometimes live side by side on local authority run sites.

Then a few of the Flower Children in the late 60's or 70's took up this Traveller lifestyle? Did they also adopt the Roma style wagons? Did the decorations change even more?

Most new Travellers used converted vans, lorries and buses and, more recently, caravans. There are a small number of horsedrawn new Travellers.

Another useful timeline here


It's much less stressful on the retina in black and white

 

[DAN 1]

Thanks Ground Elder

I'll check out these urls and learn what I can from them. It is kind of you to take the time and energy to supply them here.

I wont ask anymore questions until I have exhausted these resources.

But, I would love to see some photos of "New Traveler Horse Drawn Wagons"

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[Ground Elder]

Some here and here

 

[ymu]

Better, but does it still have to be in bold?

 

[DAN 1]

Thanks again Ground Elder. I'll take a look at these new urls.

My goodness YMU. This discussion group does seem to be sensitive to writing variation. What's that all about? How did this exclusive standard get established anyway?

Respectfully, DAN 1

 

[ymu]

Loads better, thanks.

(It's about readability and not making people's eyes hurt.)