Brilliant news for Tipi Valley

[*Miss Daisy*]

are they all English?? I didn't realize, but that shouldn't matter really should it,,
people wanting to live like that in such a beautiful country, why not,, wales is big,, a commune isn't that big,,
I just think its good,, they aren't in your backyard are they,,
imo, they are no different to anyone else, they just want a better life and i dont blame them,,
I'm welsh, but live in England, in an English Council flat,, should i get back to my own country?

I dont want to argue anyway,, i just wanted to put my views across,,
please dont get annoyed

I dont think they are intentionally being arrogent, possibly wanting to live in peace in a beautiful country

 

[Brockway]

are they all English?? I didn't realize, but that shouldn't matter really should it,,
people wanting to live like that in such a beautiful country, why not,, wales is big,, a commune isn't that big,,
I just think its good,, they aren't in your backyard are they,,
imo, they are no different to anyone else, they just want a better life and i dont blame them,,
I'm welsh, but live in England, in an English Council flat,, should i get back to my own country?

I dont want to argue anyway,, i just wanted to put my views across,,
please dont get annoyed

I dont think they are intentionally being arrogent, possibly wanting to live in peace in a beautiful country

Most of them are English yes.

It's arrogant to occupy someone else's country and to impose your own cultural values.

No, they're not in my backyard.

I didn't say they are any different to anyone else.

Everyone wants a better life - but couldn't they find theirs in the Cotswolds or the Lake District?

No, you shouldn't get back to your own country if you don't want to - you're the colonized not the colonizer - they owe you a living.

Hey, I'm not annoyed - this a forum for debate.

 

[*Miss Daisy*]

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Most of them are English yes.

It's arrogant to occupy someone else's country and to impose your own cultural values.

No, they're not in my backyard.

I didn't say they are any different to anyone else.

Everyone wants a better life - but couldn't they find theirs in the Cotswolds or the Lake District?

No, you shouldn't get back to your own country if you don't want to - you're the colonized not the colonizer - they owe you a living.

Hey, I'm not annoyed - this a forum for debate.

Thing is though, if I went and lived there, I'd be just as much of an outsider.

 

[thefuse]

Everyone wants a better life - but couldn't they find theirs in the Cotswolds or the Lake District?

im not an expert on land prices in the uk but i would have thought
that it was a factor in them choosing to be there

i bought a huge farmhouse in brittany for 3000 quid in 95 because i couldnt afford to buy anything in my own country
it became more and more obvious over the years that the bretons didnt want us there though so i left.

 

[Col_Buendia]

but why can't they set up their utopia in their own country?

Do you know how daft that sounds?

Have you ever read Utopia?

And in the meantime, let's rebuild Offa's Dyke and get a strip of anti-personnel mines down while we're at it.

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Offas Dyke was to keep us out of England, another example of how we've been oppressed from stealing English pigs and goats

 

[Brockway]

Have you ever read Utopia?

And in the meantime, let's rebuild Offa's Dyke and get a strip of anti-personnel mines down while we're at it.

I'll go for whichever answer means you don't actually start telling me about Thomas More's Utopia.

Not sure why you're going on about anti-personnel mines - I don't really want to kill hippies. If there's a smart bomb that can take out their record collections though....

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I've never seen a record player in a tipi, meself....

 

[Brockway]

I've never seen a record player in a tipi, meself....

Not all hippies live in tipis.

Talking of hippies - I'd definitely recommend The Last of the Hippies by C J Stone. A very funny book which contains a big section on the hippy scene in Cardiff in the 70s. It's not really for or against them, as such, just attempts to explain the phenomenon from a personal perspective - he used to be one himself see. Stone writes for the Big Issue.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

He used to post here too...he may well still do, but there are now so many posts per day I may have missed him...

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Rik is indeed a gentle sort...I have very fond memories of him...lovely bloke. I'll never forget when he was off to his brother's wedding, dressed in home-cured rabbit skins carrying a lamb under his arm...he looked a bit like a cross between Ben Gunn and John the Baptist...even blasé 'seen it all before' Brixtonians looked somewhat taken aback....

Did he appear on TV once in a programe about pagans or earth mysteries?

 

[mazin_aust]

Hey Ric, Bro, you seem to have stirred up a hornets nest. I am happy that Ric has been able to live a happy and fruitful life for the last 28 years, with positive results- TIPI Valley has revegetated, the local community respects,works with and benefits from their presence and you have managed to avoid Brocky. Great mate- PS the lamb mentioned previously was a wedding present for our brother. Having moved to Australia 35 years ago and embracing an equality for all nationalities and social structures it is a bit bemusing to follow the perceived problem of people born out side Wales living in Wales, especially such a low impact of 100 people in a Valley that was useless for agriculture. Good on you and your fellow Valley community.
Cheers Peter

 

[northernhord]

What is it with hippies and Wales? We're like a poor man's India to them. How come Tipi Valley is in Wales and not say... the Lake District?

Its got fuck to do with hippies, when I used to live in vehicles and Benders we came from listening to Dub reggae, punk and metal, I was on the road with 4 workin class punks from Manchester.
As far as English folks exotification of Wales that's shite too, we never used to get that much hassle in Wales back in the day and also its a lovely place

 

[Dandred]

I would love to give lot's of good vibes to the Tipi Valley people....





But, sadly I've met loads of them.

At free festivals and at free parties.........


Very arrogant, self obsessed, wankers......

I've spent about 3-4 years in north and mid Wales at parties, (2 of the last years I was there putting on the parties) whenever the TP people turn up it's time to go home........

They treat the local people like scum......


I love to dance while the sun is coming up, but to have for some wanker telling me how good they are just because they live in a tent and have enough money to do that........................

TeePee people = arrogant wankers


Machynlleth is a good point, loads of rich hippies buying the land locals can't afford.

CAT is a good example http://www.cat.org.uk/index.tmpl?refer=index&init=1

How many are from Wales

Born and raised in wales myself.............wish I had loads of rich friends to put the money together to buy land from the locals and then preach hippy crap like the CAT people do......

 

[northernhord]

^ I can appreciate the fact that there is some elitism goin on within the Travelling community, this is something I hated when I was on the road and it part and parcel of why I jacked it in.
But I still think that these permanent sites are a good thing.

English people buying up Wales is a big problem but that's down to the way things are with property in the UK with your second homers and downsizers

 

[Dandred]

^ I can appreciate the fact that there is some elitism goin on within the Travelling community.

This is not the "Traveling community" these are people from rich London/other big city middle class families, who have bought land from the local people and are sneering at the local people for not living up the their own ideals.

this is something I hated when I was on the road and it part and parcel of why I jacked it in.

I would hate that too.

But I still think that these permanent sites are a good thing.

So do I, but the same for everywhere in the UK, the local government shouldn't have to pay the bill when so few people live there.

English people buying up Wales is a big problem but that's down to the way things are with property in the UK with your second homers and downsizers

I think that any second homes should have 400% tax........

 

[northernhord]

This is not the "Traveling community" these are people from rich London/other big city middle class families, who have bought land from the local people and are sneering at the local people for not living up the their own ideals.



I would hate that too.


So do I, but the same for everywhere in the UK, the local government shouldn't have to pay the bill when so few people live there.




I think that any second homes should have 400% tax........

I used to know a few peeps who lived in the valley years ago and they werent rich types but I can quite easily imagine the sons and daughter of lords and ladies bein up there and for that I am on the side of Welsh people, I also completely agree with you about a 400% on second homes, perhaps this could go someway towards recompensing local people for putting with this sort of thing.

 

[Dandred]

Look at Aberdyfi, and look at amount of money it cost to own a house there.........

That's about 7 miles from where the CAT is........and the same from my old house.....



I was a really happy late teen dredlock hippy until I met the Tipi wankers and their spwan.....

I went to one party and was asked in a posh accent "Oh you work do you"?

Wankers, they think they are doing everything for the world in their own heads but forget everyone around them....

A few friends of mine live in very remote farms (they are son's and daughters of farmers) the people from the CTA who came to visit the farm were so angry that my firend's parents burnt coal!!!!!!! What were that supposed to do? No gas there, no money for solar panels..... but the CAT wankers left feeling smug with their noses up each others areses.......

 

[northernhord]

^ I have many issues with Middle class Hippies and their superior ethical smuggness posturing.
my old fellas family come from Wales and have expereinced similar to what you mention above.

My last job which I walked out of before Christmas was workin with gypsies (traditional) and New Age Travellers and the Northern New Age travellers I worked with were less airy fairy then many of the travellers i experienced years ago and there wasnt a sign of the kind of hgh brow judgementalism that you tend to get from Middle Class Southern Travellers.

 

[Dandred]

^ I have many issues with Middle class Hippies and their superior ethical smuggness posturing.
my old fellas family come from Wales and have expereinced similar to what you mention above.

My last job which I walked out of before Christmas was workin with gypsies (traditional) and New Age Travellers and the Northern New Age travellers I worked with were less airy fairy then many of the travellers i experienced years ago and there wasnt a sign of the kind of hgh brow judgementalism that you tend to get from Middle Class Southern Travellers.

 

[Karac]

I would love to give lot's of good vibes to the Tipi Valley people....





But, sadly I've met loads of them.

At free festivals and at free parties.........


Very arrogant, self obsessed, wankers......

I've spent about 3-4 years in north and mid Wales at parties, (2 of the last years I was there putting on the parties) whenever the TP people turn up it's time to go home........

They treat the local people like scum......


I love to dance while the sun is coming up, but to have for some wanker telling me how good they are just because they live in a tent and have enough money to do that........................

TeePee people = arrogant wankers


Machynlleth is a good point, loads of rich hippies buying the land locals can't afford.

CAT is a good example http://www.cat.org.uk/index.tmpl?refer=index&init=1

How many are from Wales

Born and raised in wales myself.............wish I had loads of rich friends to put the money together to buy land from the locals and then preach hippy crap like the CAT people do......

Theres a load of that going on-apparently the CAT only employs 1 Welsh person out of 60 employees -and you get self-righteous middle-class dropouts lecturing the locals on how to manage the land.
It all started with that arrogant toss rag John Seymour

 

[Portia]

Look at Aberdyfi, and look at amount of money it cost to own a house there.........

That's about 7 miles from where the CAT is........and the same from my old house.....



I was a really happy late teen dredlock hippy until I met the Tipi wankers and their spwan.....

I went to one party and was asked in a posh accent "Oh you work do you"?

Wankers, they think they are doing everything for the world in their own heads but forget everyone around them....

A few friends of mine live in very remote farms (they are son's and daughters of farmers) the people from the CTA who came to visit the farm were so angry that my firend's parents burnt coal!!!!!!! What were that supposed to do? No gas there, no money for solar panels..... but the CAT wankers left feeling smug with their noses up each others areses.......

yep some of them are wankers and the kids can be proper little shits- as i may have mentioned a couple of times...
but most of the valley lot are sound as. up the top people have the same sort of attitude they have in shameless (probably why i like that programme so much) which is sort of fuck everyone else, stick by your mates... completely amoral. i find it kindof refreshing because it's so different from what i grew up with. not that i think it's good to be like that- but there's absolutely no point in aruging with them about it. plus they're good people to have as friends.

down the bottom people are more your typical fluffy hippies. they are nice people too though a few may be totally up themselves. they mean well though. i know what you mean about it all being totally hypocritical wank, lots of them have a place in town and a place in beneficio as well... what sort of hippy has 3 homes ffs? but they're still my mates.

 

[Dandred]

yep some of them are wankers and the kids can be proper little shits- as i may have mentioned a couple of times...
but most of the valley lot are sound as. up the top people have the same sort of attitude they have in shameless (probably why i like that programme so much) which is sort of fuck everyone else, stick by your mates... completely amoral. i find it kindof refreshing because it's so different from what i grew up with. not that i think it's good to be like that- but there's absolutely no point in aruging with them about it. plus they're good people to have as friends.

down the bottom people are more your typical fluffy hippies. they are nice people too though a few may be totally up themselves. they mean well though. i know what you mean about it all being totally hypocritical wank, lots of them have a place in town and a place in beneficio as well... what sort of hippy has 3 homes ffs? but they're still my mates.

Well they were never my mates, just people I met in my local area......

I will always remember their attitudes towards the local Welsh people.

 

[annajolene]

I Was Born In Tp Vally,along With 3 Sisters

 

[co-op]

I Was Born In Tp Vally,along With 3 Sisters

Hi - I'd be interested to hear about what it was like from your p.o.v.

 

[nellyphant]

Yeah aren't they just a load of Sais dropouts who don't want to mix with the locals? It's a welsh speaking area but I bet none of em speak a word of Cymraeg...twt twt

I think the point here isn't what language they speak but I do agree with Red Star that they should mingle with the local community in some form or other whether they choose to lead an 'alternative' or nomadic type lifestyle. If they choose to ring-fence themselves it could be detrimental in the long run.

 

[DAN 1]

Yes Annajolene. Can we see your experience in Tipi Valley...your story of there?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

She's not online. It's nearly a year since she posted.

 

[DAN 1]

?

Are the differences between the Welsh Original Peoples and the Tipi People irreconcilable? Can they learn to appreciate each other?

What might they have in common. Love of the Earth? Tribal Instincts?

What do the Tipi People think that the Welsh are failing to do on their own land...besides burning coal?

Is the mentioned "arrogance" a natural English trait that is coming through the "Hippy" veneer of the new comers?

Are the woodlands depleted?

Is solar power feasible in that misty land?

Sincerely wondering, since i might be of Welsh heritage and Spiritual kindred to some of the Rainbow Peoples of Earth. Seeking enlightenment in these matters. This string has been fascinating so far.

Respectfully, DAN 1