Brian Bows Out of Brixton

[cockneyrebel]

Icepick you shouldn't use words like n***** in any context.....

As for Lee Jasper he would say that wouldn't he. He's very well off and part of the New Labour project, he's hardly gonna object to the fact that the police service serves the ruling classes and smashes up worker's movements if they fight back......

The police force under capitalism will always be racist because capitalism will always be racist and that's what it ultimately serves. That doesn't mean you don't fight for reforms, but ultimately it will always be racist....

Like I said the police have already started intimidating firefighters and would kill again like they did with the miner's strike if given the orders.....any police officer has to take responsibility for this including Brian. He was happy to serve for a force that murders black people, killed miners and smashed up communities and the fact of the matter is they'd do it again...

 

[blamblam]

hear hear

 

[editor]

What a load of shit!

Originally posted by elia canetti
So you can stick your artifically created support up your arse
once Mike Slocombe finishes licking it.
EC

Seeing as you've decided to make the imsults personal by posting up my full name, perhaps you'd like to level the playing field and share your real name?

I don't like being insulted by pathetic, spineless, anonymous cowards, you see.

 

[TopCat]

Well I am glad we are returning to the very real issues of policing ni lambeth. Critical Judgement has been put somewhat on hold since brians move elsewhere.

I will say garfield made me chuckle with his call for Brian to be made mayor rather than Ken Livingstone...

Judgeing both by their actions, well I know who I will vote for...

 

[TopCat]

But Mike...

Your name is all over this site! You allow people to register with nicknames..

Rememeber The Commander!

 

[agricola]

cockneyrebel,

not wishing to derail this thread any further, but do you have a source for your claim that the Police are already intimidating the striking Firefighters?

 

[editor]

But Mike...

Originally posted by TopCat
Your name is all over this site! You allow people to register with nicknames..

That's no excuse. If someone's going to throw offensive insults at me and use my full name, then they've made it personal.

 

[blamblam]

Originally posted by editor
That figures.

It's always harder to come up with answers, isn't it?

But seeing as you can't handle that question, perhaps you'd like to tell me how you'd improve things around Brixton?

Go on. Use your brain and offer something constructive, pragmatic and realistic.

I dare you.

For starters, legalise all drugs, provide free on the NHS for those who need them, provide housing for everyone by using the empty ones, higher minimum wage, bring unemployment benefit up to a standard to provide a decent living (not gonna be much left crime now is there?), build another tube station in Streatham so Brixton's not so fucking crowded every morning, put in another travelcard machine, let all of the nonviolent prisoners out of brixton prison, pay the firefighters + public service workers a decent wage, put the cops under democratic control of the community and forbid them from breaking strikes.

And how to pay for it? Tax the rich bastards.

But this isn't gonna happen, so what was the point of your question mr smart arse?

 

[TopCat]

Aw come on...

You called me "Fuckwit troll" after one of my first posts here.

I think you are genuinley fed up that brian won't be back and I accept that.

It's just many people don't think that he was much out of the ordinary, in fact I would go so far as to say that he was/is a cop, no more, no less with all the baggage that entails.

 

[cockneyrebel]

agricola it was a piece that was on both London Tonight and Newsroom SE. The firefighters had a demo outside a control room cos a scab worker was working inside.....it was a peaceful protest and the police dispersed the demo saying they would nick all the firefighters and they physically intimidated them and pushed them. They then threatened the union rep with arrest, cos he was doing an interview outside the control room the next day.....

They killed miners (when Paddick was in the police), and would do it again tomorrow if given the orders.....

Paddick and any other police officer have to take responsibility for the fact that their job, as part of the police force, is to oppress workers and ultimately kill them if they get too militant, and oppress black and Asian communities, women (look at the sex industry), gay and lesbian communities and people who are poor and working class.....

Brian Paddick is part of a force that did this, does this and always will do it under capitalism.....

 

[editor]

Originally posted by icepick
But this isn't gonna happen, so what was the point of your question mr smart arse?

Just as I thought: you haven't got a single pragmatic, realistic thought in your head, only oceans of hate and Crass-for-beginners fantasies.

Paddick's already done more for the legalisation of cannabis (and harder drugs) than you'll ever achieve in your bitter life.

But your admission that you are unable to offer any form of alternative that would have benefited the Brixton community is duly noted.

It must be great living in your bubble, where you're free to criticise everyone while contributing absolutely fat zero yourself.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Editor I don't think a socialist society is pie in the sky (and neither do hundreds of millions of workers)......

I'm a TU steward in Brixton and have been helping the Brixton fire firefighters day in day out. I also helped in the campaign against racist murders by the police......

Just cos he got soft drugs semi-legalised that doesn't excuse the fact he serves a force that is racist, sexist, and anti-worker.....and the fact that he serves for a force that has murdered untold black people, miners and oppressed any militant strike that has happened.......

 

[hatboy]

Well I thought he was a person trying to make movement in a stuck system.

Icepick - I like all of those ideas. If you said things like that more often here instead of just getting in fights it would be more interesting.

Agree with Cockneyrebel about Icepick's use of the "n" word.

 

[blamblam]

Originally posted by editor
Just as I thought: you haven't got a single pragmatic, realistic thought in your head, only oceans of hate and Crass-for-beginners fantasies.

fwiw I've never heard a crass song in my life.

And why's legalising drugs and providing them free not pragmatic or realistically? They do it in Switzerland. And where was the hate in my suggestions?

Ha ha you do get wound up easily!

Paddick's already done more for the legalisation of cannabis (and harder drugs) than you'll ever achieve in your bitter life.

Ooooh well get you! Better go and end it all now then, eh?

But your admission that you are unable to offer any form of alternative that would have benefited the Brixton community is duly noted.

Com'on don't you think we really need an extra ticket machine in the station?

It must be great living in your bubble, where you're free to criticise everyone while contributing absolutely fat zero yourself.

You're really trying hard with these insults.

Get a job, hippy.

 

[Miscellaneous]

It's a shame that the top brass have put such a spin on this... you did brilliantly in making Police-Community relations better. It is indeed a great shame, but I hope you can work your magic elsewhere. You have my deepest admiration and respect.


Manda
xxxxxx

 

[editor]

Originally posted by cockneyrebel
Editor I don't think a socialist society is pie in the sky (and neither do hundreds of millions of workers

I haven't said that at all

I was asking icepick what practical alternatives he could have offered right here, right now for the people of Brixton, and all I got back was a load of tub thumping that had absolutely nothing to do the topic being debated.

For the record, I'd actually like most of what he came up with too, but right now I'm trying to find out if he has anything to offer about this topic other than sheer hatred.

 

[stupid kid]

But Mike...

Originally posted by TopCat
Your name is all over this site! You allow people to register with nicknames..

I've also been a victim of abuse of the internet from people I didn't know, and I assure you it's intimidating and infuriating.

 

[Miscellaneous]

Originally posted by icepick
You're really trying hard with these insults.

Get a job, hippy.

FFS can`t you grow up? I worked with better behaved 4 year olds.............

why do you have to make everything into a personal vendetta, if you don`t like something dont reply to it, and leave it well alone.......

 

[TopCat]

Well...

I posted here originally under my own name and I have got over, and moved on frombeing called a fuckwit troll...

 

[editor]

Originally posted by icepick
Get a job, hippy.

What's your job?

Have you got a job?

You sound like a Tory.

 

[TopCat]

hahahahah

Tory!

Come on now, take a deep breath and go and have a pint down the albert...

we can do all this some more later!

 

[editor]

Well...

Originally posted by TopCat
and moved on from being called a fuckwit troll...

You've brought this up twice in the last ten minutes.

Are you getting nostalgic for those days?

 

[Dubversion]

i find a lot of this difficult.

in my heart i'm an idealist, and my idealism utterly rejects the police force in its current form and what it is supposed to protect.

in many ways i fucking hate the police, and have been in incidents where nothing would have made me happier than visiting violence on them in return for the violence they have visited on me and mine.

the deaths in custody, the continual bullshit in the police in brixton and everywhere else sickens me.

and yet.. and yet..

is it better to draw an absolutist line in the sand and reject anything that falls short of it, in the meantime brooking no compromise or attempts to at least ease the pressure. or is it better to accept that Brian - for all the contradictions, for all the compromises to my ideals it involves, has for the period he was in charge improved things, if only a little, and did forge stronger links with the community.

OF COURSE he's still a cop. OF COURSE he's still going to defend indefensible actions. OF COURSE the police are capable of being vicious violent scum, and murderers to boot.

but the alternative to trying to make the most of someone as *comparatively* radical as Brian is to sit around and wait for things to get much much worse and wait for a revolution that probably isn't going to happen. it's the same kind of attitude that led certain socialist groups in the 80s to oppose things like rape crisis centres on the grounds that they were 'revisionist', that by improving peoples' lot, you were setting back the coming of the revolution.

if we do that - if we draw such distinct and immovable lines in the sand - and wait for our idealistic visions to flourish, we'll be climbing over the fucking rubble and bodies and burnt out cars in Coldharbour Lane all over again. and i for one can't be fucked with that. and nor can the people who live there.

icepick, i share some of your ideas, but not all. and Brixton is not there to be a battleground for your idealism, it's where people live and are sick of the shit that happens there. and if that means compromising our principles somewhat by encouraging a comparatively liberal cop rather than a fucking psycho, then so be it.

 

[blamblam]

Originally posted by editor
What's your job?

Have you got a job?

You sound like a Tory.

Why thank you, madam.

I cross dead people off marketing databases, if you must know

[geez some people really can't take a joke! damn hippies]

[editor: url removed for a whole host of reasons I can't be arsed to go into. PM me if you want to know why]

 

[blamblam]

Originally posted by Dubversion
and if that means compromising our principles somewhat by encouraging a comparatively liberal cop rather than a fucking psycho, then so be it.

I've never said paddick wouldn't be better than anyone else. Just am surprised by how everyone here creams their pants at the mere mention of his name.
"Wow a minor-murderer-scumbag instead of a psycho! Excellent, ur ugh aaaagh.... oh sorry I've just come"

 

[Jessiedog]

Total Word Dub!



Woof

 

[nosos]

My $0.02

I don't know Brixton at all and it really has nothing to do with me what-so-ever. But I have read quite a lot of what Brian has written, and he does seem like a person who genuinely cares about others and wants to make a difference. And, to me at least, the whole affair shows just how shit the media, the police and the government in general are.

 

[Miscellaneous]

Originally posted by icepick

I've never said paddick wouldn't be better than anyone else. Just am surprised by how everyone here creams their pants at the mere mention of his name.
"Wow a minor-murderer-scumbag instead of a psycho! Excellent, ur ugh aaaagh.... oh sorry I've just come"

God you are a complete attention-seeking twat arn't you?

Dub- word!!

 

[editor]

Originally posted by icepick
Just am surprised by how everyone here creams their pants at the mere mention of his name.

Forget being a Tory. You've got a job made for you at the Mail!

Who needs troublesome facts when you can dish out ludicrous, Everest-sized misrepresentations and downright lies at the drop of a hat?

 

[Kidda]

icepick you've thrown a wobbler cos Brian was getting more attention then you, so now climb back in your pram, be a dear and shut the fuck up. Let them get on with the real issue of this thread
There was no need for your outburst, it was just attention seeking fuckwittery.
And the insults you threw at Mike just proves this.

Your just a little boy with no real concept of whats going on, your stuck in some anarchist ideology and one day you will get a very big shock. You talk about a working class revolution, whats the bet you really have no clue what its like to be a working class person at the bottom of the shit heap? You come across as a middle class twat who likes to think he's right about everything. i think were the same age, and it makes it hard for me to understand how someone can be so imature. Come join the real world.

Mr Paddick, i dont live in Brixton, but there are many issues up here that are simular to those people in Lambeth face.
I dont like the police or what they stand for, but as a person you proved that there was a bit more too your tuppence worth than most. At least you tried.