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Brian Bows Out of Brixton

Brian was the reason I first came to this site. Sadly, as I predicted at that time, he will not be returning to his position. :(


Friz,

How long did it take for you to become such an ill-informed dickwad?


Brian,

You have probably made the right choice to bow out, you were never gonna' win against the system. Good luck with your career and all your future endeavours.

Blessings.

:)

Woof
 
Whilst its true neither Paddick nor Icepick need me to stick up for them, I feel reluctantly compelled to comment.

Paddick has done a lot that is very popular within the local community, and it bad that he has been persecuted for it.

However, it is fact that people have died whilst in police custordy in Brixton, and we should never forget this.

Also anyone involved in the direct action movement will almost certainly have experienced or witnessed police brutality first hand and may find this glorification of law enforcers hard to take.

There are always two sides to every argument.
 
Friz and Icepick - you have a very superficial take on all this.

It's not about the cannabis policy (although that was sensible), it's about Brian being someone who was developing unprecendented trust between local people and the police.

And listen Icepick - I don't think the sun shines out of Brian's arse. I judge by what I experience, what I see, and I was impressed.

More on deaths in police custody in a moment. I'm just trying to locate a previous post.
 
Whatever Brian Paddick was like as an individual (and I don't know him) it makes no difference to the fact that 3 black people were murdered under his command and every one was covered up......it is also a fact that the police force is institutionally racist and used to smash up pickets and worker's movements. Let us not forget that the MET killed miners and seriously injured 1000s of them in the 1980s. They did the same at Wapping. And they enjoyed it singing songs like "Arthur Scargill pays our wages"......

The police under capitalism play a social role because people are forced to use them that way (being a vigilante is illegal) and even then Asian communities up north were forced to use self-defence (and rightly so) to defend their communities against the BNP cos the racist police force were no use and just persecuted them.....

Only the other day on London Tonight it showed members of the MET intimidating and threatening to arrest firefighters who were staging a demo......

At the end of the day the police force will ultimately be used to oppress people and protect the ruling classes. It will always be used to brutally oppress any militant worker's movements and will always be racist, sexist and homophobic and will oppress the poor cos that is the nature of the capitalist system it serves.....

And police officers, including Brian Paddick, have to take responsibility for serving in an organisation that does this....

PS B4 you ask editor I work in Brixton, am a union steward and have fought my whole life for a better system (socialism/communism).......
 
Originally posted by icepick
Tell you what I haven't done:
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That's a really pathetic cop out. ('scuse the pun) A politician would be proud of that evasion.

What's the matter, icepick - was the question too difficult or awkward for you to answer?

I took the unprecedented step of defending a copper because I felt Paddick's initiatives made a real change for the better in my community (do you live in Lambeth, by the way - you seemed to have avoided that question)

Now you tell me what practical, pragmatic solutions you've got. How would you have set about improving police/black community relations?

Oh, and post up deeply offensive shite like, "as long as you lovely hippies get your draw without having to worry about pc plod then what does a few dead nigger matter " and you'll be banned.

After you've answered my questions, of course.

If you can.
 
Originally posted by icepick
Hopefully you'll now get a proper job which doesn't involved being in charge of a bunch of racist murderers, and locking poor people up in concrete boxes.

Oooh dear the system you protect has screwed you, you poor thing :rolleyes: let me dry my tears...
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you sir are a fucking cock when will you learn you teenie fucking sad ack grow up and fast.


brian very sad to hear chap, but there is always hackney or that livingstone fella needs knockin goff his pearch and then you could still have a kinda of influence and help shpa lambeth in a more centralised way. i reckon you beat livingstone hands down (and when you do, rather than if ;), it'll be the best way to say heres mud in yer eye to the hate mail)

good luck

Paddick for mayor

get's my vote.....:D
 
I can't find the post I was looking for unfortunately.

But, of course three deaths in police custody is three too many. Paddick himself acknowleges that. It has also been said by Lee Jasper (chair of the local community police consultative group and the London mayor's advisor on race) and others that the ensuing investigations into these deaths have been the most transparent and thorough in Brixton for a long time, if ever.

Icepick, don't talk to me about "dead n******". A friend and neighbour of mine is the cousin of Derek Bennett, the guy shot dead by police over the imitation gun/lighter incident. Even he ended up signing the petition in support of Paddick.

I've also talked to the mother of Ricky Bishop (one of the three black men who you refer to dying in police custody). Have you?
I didn't pressure her for an opinion, or to support Paddick or anything. I respected her grief and listened to what she had to say.
 
Is it easy for one person to make a difference in the police force? :confused:

I think the fact that Brian has been booted out of his job just shows the true role the police play in society, there isn't space to be caring or to listen to people. The idea of having a police force is to oppress, when individuals in it try and do anything about it they're booted out.

I can't say I really have any feelings about Brian losing his job, and as I don't live in Brixton it isn't really anything to do with me.

:)
 
Cockney Rebel - yeah that's the wider picture. The whole point was that Paddick was different from that. Too different for the Met, which does, sadly, back up what you say.
 
Originally posted by Friz
The job of a police officer is to defend and serve the community in the detection and prevention of crime and the preservation of public order. The police operate most effectively as a body, not as individuals. The raising of any particular individuals personal profile for whatever motive is at best a distraction and at worse an obstruction. Lambeth is no different to any other inner city borough. The social problems are equal. Brian Paddicks claim to fame seems to centre around the softly softly approach in offences involving the possession of cannabis. This seems of course to have been a popular move locally but coppers are not employed to be popular they exist to enforce the law. It is the job of Parliament to decide if the possession of cannabis should be lawful or not. When laws are in place they should be enforced otherwise you risk the law appearing an ass. In a calculated move to attract publicity and raise his personal profile Paddick brought about his own demise. History shows this usually to be the end result. He did not lose his job through homophobia he was removed because he was seen in the public eye to condone criminal offences both in his professional and private life. This I am sure was not the case in reality. However because he chose to raise his own profile beyond what is normal for a police officer he has paid a price. Anything else is just sentimental nonsense
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actaully it shows you know very little about law here the decsion as to whether the law has in fact been broken is down to either the senior officer in charge at the time or the arresting officer depending on the size and scale of the arrest. i would suggest you learn abit more and actually nick off on this one as it is not for a matter for nasty little trolls like you.

paddick for mayor
 
Question for people that don't live in Brixton: does anyone else find this constant reference to "the Brixton community" and the constant refrain of "Do you live here? If not, what do you know about it?" that comes from Brixtonians when asked critical questions from non-Brixtonians, just a little bit spooky?
 
Originally posted by editor
That's a really pathetic cop out. ('scuse the pun) A politician would be proud of that evasion.

What's the matter, icepick - was the question too difficult or awkward for you to answer?
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No not really. I'm just not gonna tell you where I live or justify myself to you.

If ya don't like it, well you know what you can do.

And for the record I have no interest in improving cop/community relations.
 
so if you have no interest in it, why are you making such a big deal in slagging someone of who was making things better?
 
Things go full circle...

This thread really brought a smile to my face.

Brian broke me up laughing with his quip "this is where I came in" as it's so true.

The issues remain the same even if the faces change.

However open Lee Jasper (another self elected community "leader") says Brian was investigating deaths in police custody, the deaths remain a serious concern.

Paying attention to Brian's posts here, you have noticed that he always was proud to defend the role of the police and their actions.

He was happy to be part of the co-ercive arm of the state during the miners strike and no doubt other strikes and has not wavered from carrying out the orders of his masters as is his job to do so.

He enforced the law whilst breaking it himself ( I belived his ex when he said Brian smoked dope) which is pretty low behaviour but no doubt typical of the police in general.

Whlst it has been endearing to have a police commander who is more open than his predecessor, radical he isn't because a dedicated police commander can't be.

The Paddick fan club here have been a little overwhelming in there support and admiration for the man. I can understand why this may grate on the nerves of some who take a different attitude to the police.

Many of the fan club however do live in brixton and want to see change occour so I also see they ain't going to wait for any supposed revolution. But wherever you live you have a right to an opinion on the subject.

Bye Brian!

TC




:) :)
 
Originally posted by fudgefactorfive
Question for people that don't live in Brixton: does anyone else find this constant reference to "the Brixton community" and the constant refrain of "Do you live here? If not, what do you know about it?" that comes from Brixtonians when asked critical questions from non-Brixtonians, just a little bit spooky?
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Are you local?

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"And for the record I have no interest in improving cop/community relations".

That's a shame really, because it wasn't about us "brown-nosing". It was about them changing, and Paddick was trying to help that.

<edited to add: ROFLMFAO at Maestro :) :) :) >
 
Things go full circle...

Originally posted by TopCat
He enforced the law whilst breaking it himself ( I belived his ex when he said Brian smoked dope)
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Really. Have you met his ex then?

What evidence have you? Have you read his expensively-rewarded statement?

What exactly are you basing your 'belief' on?
 
Like you, Jessie, I was first attracted to urban75 by the furore caused by Brian's first postings on these boards. Although I live in Holland, and have no right therefore to speak for Brixtonians, it's been obvious to me that most people recognise the quantum leap Brian's contribution to community policing could have been. (Children like icepick excepted)

I feel very sorry that the clock seems to have been turned back.

Brian, I wish you well in the future, and thank you for your great efforts. :)
 
Brian it is a serious blow to the residents of Lambeth, and the police who serve the area, that you have been forced out because of asinine prejudice. The bigots have succeeded in undermining the effective community policing that you were putting in place here.

Iceprick - don't be so fucking immature please.
 
Originally posted by icepick
And for the record I have no interest in improving cop/community relations.
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That figures.

It's always harder to come up with answers, isn't it?

But seeing as you can't handle that question, perhaps you'd like to tell me how you'd improve things around Brixton?

Go on. Use your brain and offer something constructive, pragmatic and realistic.

I dare you.
 
What a load of shit!

Hi Brian

I've lived in Brixton for 21 years, and l'll let you into a little secret.
We hate your guts so much!! When i was in Brixton last year at
a demo for a UNISON guy who had been sacked because of his
support for youths in Brixton which rucked with your cops in July 2001,
we went down coldharbour lane with about 50 people with onlookers
shouting "kill the pigs! Kill the pigs!". Thats is what decent Brixtonians
thing of the police and of you.

So you can stick your artifically created support up your arse
once Mike Slocombe finishes licking it.

EC
 
What a load of shit!

Originally posted by elia canetti
Hi Brian

I've lived in Brixton for 21 years, and l'll let you into a little secret.
We hate your guts so much!! When i was in Brixton last year at
a demo......
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you live in brixton, yet you say 'when i was in brixton last year'

before you try and slag brian off with such shit at least think about what you are going to say.
 
why is it people feel the need to display their avant-gardeness on this thread? :rolleyes:

Comiserations to the Commander for his enforced move, the way in which the likes of the Mail behaved was sickening, almost as much as the Yard abandoned you.
 
Yes I no longer live there. But like have said I lived there for
21 years!! I think I know what I'm talking about. And all my
friends who I have grown up with still live in that area, so I feel
I know what people think about brixton cops and the aforementioned
bastard brian!

EC
 
Mike...

Yes I believed the expensively rewarded statement.

It rang true, unlike Brian saying after that he just allowed his lover to smoke it in their flat which did not ring true but was an admission of breaking the law whilst enforcing it on the people of lambeth...

:)
 
So sorry to see you finally go, mate. You've had an effect for good far beyond the boundaries of Lambeth. :)

Keep the faith! (((((((Brian)))))))
 
Elia - Who is "we"?

Who elected you? In this whole affair I've never said "we all think this" or "Brixton thinks that". What I have said is many people supported Paddick round here. They did.

Remember this.

"If someone had said just five years ago that black, white, young and old, straight and gay, liberal and anarchist would all be standing together giving a standing ovation to a police commander in Brixton, people might have said they had smoked one spliff too many. But there they were - the kind of cross-community gathering local politicians would give their right arm for..."

Watch this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/36591000/rm/_36591088_paddick2230_wrout_vi.ram

Ah memories, I remember laughing at that at the time because I was called an "anti-establishment voice" or something. I never told the BBC that. I guess it was because I had a hat on. :rolleyes:

<edited to add: bollocks, that video link didn't work, but it's the "the BBC's Penny Wrout" link on the right of the page in the first link if anyone's interested.>
 
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