brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
With a 'choice' of two versions of a neoliberal state, I don't think there could really be any other anarchist response to the referendum.
Brexit for anarchists
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roryer
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REMAIN as part of a European super state making decisions on TTIP in secret.
LEAVE resulting in a corporatist dominated rump of the South East (possibly hanging onto the North and Wales) but Scotland will leave the Union.
Abstaining is the easy decision, perhaps you are right, we are being presented with a choice of lesser evils. On the other hand, this is the biggest political decision we have ever been offered, and if anarchists abstain, we are admitting defeat that no-where in the world is any form of alternative credible.
My question is why LEAVE is being presented as a choice of supporting Boris? This election has been hijacked, Corbynites don't know their position, the Greens (formerly anarchist) now support greater state influence, and anarchists are abstaining. Its a sorry age when the only political opposition to the Neo-Liberal Anglo American Empire are nationalists like Xi and Putin.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
Greens formerly anarchist?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Any 'political decision' that we are "offered" is not one for an anarchist.
roryer
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Green's were a movement that advocated decentralization and participatory democracy — two key elements of anarchism. The party left these roots by electing a 'leader' and advocating towing a 'party line' in 2009.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
Yeh. But they took part in elections which I am led to believe is something of a no-no for anarchists.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
But they missed out the rather central element of actually advocating anarchism. In fact, they argued against anarchism in favour of the above.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not for Class War ?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
there's taking part in elections for a stunt, and taking part in elections with the intention of entering office. i don't believe anyone can accuse class war of electioneering with any expectation of actually winning anything.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
'Democracy' as spectacle?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
taking advantage of an election to remind people that like *another organisation* they haven't gone away, you know
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I can understand not having any expectation of winning but what is the purpose of standing in an election as a stunt? Isn't there something more than it just being a stunt?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
perhaps someone involved with cw in recent years might be able to assist you
Corax
Luke 5:16
That explains so much about the Lib Dems.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wouldn't say this was a stunt Why I have to stand against Iain Duncan Smith in the general election | Lisa McKenzie
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hope it's been of mutual benefit
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's all what we have at the moment is, anyway.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
'Politics as entertainment' is all that's left after the de-democratisation of capitalism through the de-economisation of democracy.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
I would agree with the op. Vote leave is voting for a possible revolution while voting remain is voting for things to stay as they are. So vote leave is the radical choice & what I shall probably go for.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I am for voting leave but to be honest I didn't consider it as a vote for possible revolution. Perhaps I was not seeing the big picture .
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Neither option is a vote for revolution or status quo. Whichever way the electorate chose, the neoliberal turn continues unaltered.
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SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
I was thinking more on the lines of eventually the balance between the haves & have nots will tip & there will be enough votes to install some sort of left wing socialist government thereby finally burying neoliberalism & a brexit may hasten this, yes?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
All the while that a (socialist) government depends upon the bond markets for its expenditure they're not going to be able to 'bury neoliberalism'...no matter how much we may wish it.
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
So, immiserationism? That has worked well in the past......not.
For the time being those best placed in Britain and much of the rest of Europe to take advantage of Brexit are the populist right and far right.
For the time being those best placed in Britain and much of the rest of Europe to take advantage of Brexit are the populist right and far right.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Yes, it's a fuck, ain't it, but on a thread like this one can expound the most fantastic theories? All my 70s revolution stuff would seem somehow closer after brexit, possibly? Corbyn could emerge as a great leader although he is getting on a bit so the timescale could be too ambitious for that.
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