Breaking News: Civil War in Gaza
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Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
warren said:
I have read that Hamas are about to take over in Gaza. Which has always been the more social & religously conservative of the Palastinian "statelets". But have not heard about Fatah gunmen being executed. Have you are source for it..??
warren said:
Well to be fair Fatah started a civil war having received US $$$ to launch an attack on the Govt. It is the old tactic of divide and rule, and of buying off corrupt elements of the population.
The civil war has been going on for weeks as Fatah launched an attempt to militarily topple the Hamas Government. However, Fatah aren't especially supported by Palestinians so they may well come off worse.
BlackSpecs
The DogFather
warren said:
They are back to reporting about Michael Barrymore ..... can't be that bad then !
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
no they don't...
the next intafada will be against fatah was the resounding comment from all i spoke to back in 2005 this was then firmly proved at the time of the elections. People, want to support fatah, but not as it stands, hamas are doing what the palestinian people want them too which is to remove the courrputption and re establish the ideas of the PLO pre PA/camp david formation. This is the mandate they were voted in on this is what they are now doing.
For refference warren, hamas have siad that Fatha gunmen should surrender their weapons or face havign them removed from them, they have been very explicit in this ie hand over your guns or be killed, the likely choice is that until the lickspittle abbas orders them to surrender they will fight to the death...
what needs to happen is that marwon bagoti needs to be released allowed ot take the role arafat/palestine wanted and that these constant ireali/us appeasement process ceases.
fat chance of this happening peacably i'm afriad...
the next intafada will be against fatah was the resounding comment from all i spoke to back in 2005 this was then firmly proved at the time of the elections. People, want to support fatah, but not as it stands, hamas are doing what the palestinian people want them too which is to remove the courrputption and re establish the ideas of the PLO pre PA/camp david formation. This is the mandate they were voted in on this is what they are now doing.
For refference warren, hamas have siad that Fatha gunmen should surrender their weapons or face havign them removed from them, they have been very explicit in this ie hand over your guns or be killed, the likely choice is that until the lickspittle abbas orders them to surrender they will fight to the death...
what needs to happen is that marwon bagoti needs to be released allowed ot take the role arafat/palestine wanted and that these constant ireali/us appeasement process ceases.
fat chance of this happening peacably i'm afriad...
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
Just read that there has been a request for international UN peace keepers. I await for the Arab governments to volunteer their forces, but will not hold my breath. Also read that some Palastinians are now saying that things were better when the Israelis were occupying Gaza. Well as the old adage goes "give 'en enough rope". Meanwhile the chance of peace seems as far away as ever.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
if by giving them enough rope you mean illigally occupiing their land, shelling them continiously since the withdrawal the utter and total destruction the entire areas infrastructure during the pull out and subsiquent shelling, theif of over a billion dollars worth of taxation collectd on behalf of palestine but refusal to return it to them until they renounce their legitimatly elected governement, the persuation of europe and the US to suspend all agreed and mandated aide for palestine to force bankruptcy on the nation, to remove rights to water souces electricty form all palestinians to make them lower than sewer rats in the food chain in terms of equatable access to education, work, health care... to then dane to bitch and moan when a few cardboard roll tubes stuffed with match sulpur and other improvised explosives land on fields stolen in the nakbah and claimed as isreali and use this as a justification to start the whole process again...Andy the Don said:
that's some fucking rope ....
twat...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Are you going to break out the bubbly, warren? This is what you and your boys wanted.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
erm this is relevent how ?Peet said:
other than showing yet again your astonishing lack of undetrstanding of the situation. do you think it's some kind of right or ritual you have to go through on urban with these posts...
every 2 weeks must post something which makes me look like an utter twat get's me universally loathed and then again i can enjoy the submission of self flagilation which rewards my OCD of needing to feel like an utter moron...
congratualtions now if you next post can be in another 2 weeks and can be something along the lines of i can't take this anymore i admit it i'm repressed please will one of you dashingly hansome urbanites fuck me so i can feel a little more self worth....
It's be much appreciated....
we haven't laughed like that in years...
My sympathy has all but run out for palestinians. Just about every nation has come into being through armed takeover of another group.
Including arab nations.
Sh*t invariably happens.
the question i have to ask is what makes the palestinians so special?
Are the Aboriginals or native americans sat in refugee camps whining for more aid and sytematically slaughtering each other??
Can we turn back the clock to undo the creation of America and Austrailia?
No.
The formation of Israel was probably one of the more peaceful instances of colonisation right up until the Arab riots. So far as I can see the Arabs picked a fight and lost and haven't accepted that. Add to that a deathcult propagandizing them into butchery of Jews in the name of Allah and you have something very nasty on you hands.
Why should the world repsond at all?
Every attempt at appeasement has failed, offers of land, aid and equipment have been squandered or rejected. What more can the world do except demand the demise of Israel?
Israel is not going anywhere unless forced to do so by the palestinians. They can either accept this and build a culture of self reliance where they are, as the jews did in the ghettos, or they can continue killing israelis and each other and suffer the consequences.
Cutting them off is the only policy that might actually engender a degree of maturity into the palestinian cause. As for their factional infighting I really don't care who wins. Fatah, in the final analysis are not much better than Hamas and as soon as either holds a mandate long enough for the other side to back down they both resume their utterly futile war on Israel.
Lets just hope one side wipes out the other so there is a bit of palestinian unity. What they decide to do with that unified voice will be telling. If it continues to wage war on Israel and others then they can be kept where they are for another 40 years until they get fed up and start building something more tangible than a suicide army.
Including arab nations.
Sh*t invariably happens.
the question i have to ask is what makes the palestinians so special?
Are the Aboriginals or native americans sat in refugee camps whining for more aid and sytematically slaughtering each other??
Can we turn back the clock to undo the creation of America and Austrailia?
No.
The formation of Israel was probably one of the more peaceful instances of colonisation right up until the Arab riots. So far as I can see the Arabs picked a fight and lost and haven't accepted that. Add to that a deathcult propagandizing them into butchery of Jews in the name of Allah and you have something very nasty on you hands.
Why should the world repsond at all?
Every attempt at appeasement has failed, offers of land, aid and equipment have been squandered or rejected. What more can the world do except demand the demise of Israel?
Israel is not going anywhere unless forced to do so by the palestinians. They can either accept this and build a culture of self reliance where they are, as the jews did in the ghettos, or they can continue killing israelis and each other and suffer the consequences.
Cutting them off is the only policy that might actually engender a degree of maturity into the palestinian cause. As for their factional infighting I really don't care who wins. Fatah, in the final analysis are not much better than Hamas and as soon as either holds a mandate long enough for the other side to back down they both resume their utterly futile war on Israel.
Lets just hope one side wipes out the other so there is a bit of palestinian unity. What they decide to do with that unified voice will be telling. If it continues to wage war on Israel and others then they can be kept where they are for another 40 years until they get fed up and start building something more tangible than a suicide army.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
This one has no sense of history...but his story telling is up there with some of the greatest tall tale tellers in history. 
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
you will of course beign going to gaza soon won't you and will be able to report back you experinces as a result ...Peet said:
do tell us when you're going...
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I was watching the news report about this after the Apprentist last night.
It had footage of an unarmed man trying to take a gun of an armed Hamas i think. The locals are really pissed off with both groups.
Fair play to the guy but jeez talk about taking your own life in your hands. He really must have be pissed about it all.
Glad to say he didn't shoot him, didn't let him have the gun either mind.
Puts our troubles in pespective like don't it!
It had footage of an unarmed man trying to take a gun of an armed Hamas i think. The locals are really pissed off with both groups.
Fair play to the guy but jeez talk about taking your own life in your hands. He really must have be pissed about it all.
Glad to say he didn't shoot him, didn't let him have the gun either mind.
Puts our troubles in pespective like don't it!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Peet said:
You what?
This 'version' of history isn't supported by the facts; it's a narrativised account based upon your prejudices.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Peet said:
Pathetic nonsense. You speak as if "Jews" are a homogeneous entity.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
nino_savatte said:This one has no sense of history...but his story telling is up there with some of the greatest tall tale tellers in history.
The arse-side is strong within this one, Obi-Wan.
ViolentPanda said:
I'm sure that Cameron would love to have a situation where all his supporters would approve of him throwing Brown from fifteen stories high.
Fortunately we, that is us, we who have hope of a brighter future, regard such behavior as primitive barberism.
GarfieldLeChat said:
Or Iran and Egypt funneling weapons into Palestine. Or Hamas refusing to recognize the right of Israel to exist. Or the failure of the oil rich countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and UAE, flush with cash, but spending very little to help their brothers in Palestine. Or the Lebanese who treat Palestinians like dirt, or Kuwait who kicked out thousands of Palestinians on the "charge" they helped Saddam in the first Gulf War.
You act as though this sad situation is all the fault or Israel and their big bad friend the US.
Bullshit
Fattah and hummous? Sounds like some dishes I'd order at a Lebanese restaurant.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think Zionism is about 100 years old, right?
I doubt that the state of Israel will survive for another 100 the way it's going.
I doubt that the state of Israel will survive for another 100 the way it's going.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
What's going on is really horrible.
But then Israel and the US set up the situation and sat back waiting for it to implode.
But then Israel and the US set up the situation and sat back waiting for it to implode.
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