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Breadmaking

Discussion in 'suburban75' started by miss minnie, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    I have just set a treacle, fennel, caraway and vanilla loaf going.

    I'm sort of tempted to add a pot of mixed peel, too - I can see it working with any two of the above, but am struggling to imagine it as a 5th addition :hmm:

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  2. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Second 1kg has just gone in. (I prefer whoppers bc I can go back to sleep in the morning whilst they bake. 2* normal loaves required more maintenance, and so more consciousness.)

    Proved overnight @ room temp, so no slashes bc tbh it's just holding on wrt overproving. Currently struggling to find the right balance between room temp and fridge - have had a couple of great overnight room temp loaves, but even a coupla degrees difference in room temp can have a huge effect.

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    Edit: +1

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  3. fishfinger

    fishfinger تپلی

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  4. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    THIs is the start of a daisy patterned loaf (or amalgamation of rolls). One of my absolute favourites, in terms of appearance.

    It's half the size I usually make em. (1kg instead of 2kg overall). And I think that might actually be quite an improvement :lol:

    Quite keen on getting some sleep tonight, so may not let it fully prove. Will see!

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  5. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    I had to chuck away my starter. :(

    We'd had tiny flies in the kitchen for a while and eventually noticed that's where they were coming from. In that time I'd refreshed it (chucked away all but a teaspoon), so made the call to bin the lot.

    Away for a fair whilst, but means baking with normal yeast when I get back whilsr sorting out a new one.

    Maybe I should buy one with a long linage next time.
     
  6. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    I want to eat your bread. :cool:

    As I've had a fair bit of time at home baking recently, I've got quite used to home baked stuff. Going away to work and cheap super market stuff is just a different food. :(
     
  7. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    I want to eat your bread. :cool:

    As I've had a fair bit of time at home baking recently, I've got quite used to home baked stuff. Going away to work and cheap super market stuff is just a different food. :(
     
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  8. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Fruit flies love starter. That doesn't mean they're breeding *in* it! They drown rayt easy. (I know this, because drowned fruit flies are the reason I had to fake the results for my A level biology coursework.)

    Obvs more than welcome to some free starter, should you want it. Costs me literally pennies.
     
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  9. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Loaf will be sold. Daisy is for eating. Could've risen a bit more, but not without sleep deprivation!

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  10. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    That's dead kind. I'll drop you a PM closer to when I'm home so it's not sat around ages not being fed.

    Looks fantastic. It's getting more into art now though isn't it? Does it taste any better for making it it that way?
     
  11. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    The flower loaf? It's 8 small rolls rather than one big loaf, and it's straightforward to tear off a roll. It doesn't need slashing (as the joints between the rolls form natural weak points), which is a trivial to non-existent gain.

    Otherwise, yeah, it's just bread.

    Edit: and it's bread that, in this instance, *really did need* another hour to prove :D
     
  12. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Treacle (200g+650 water - treacle's effect on hydration appears to require a cautious approach :hmm: ) and mixed peel.

    Would properly make this again!

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    Edit: and, yeah, the difference between this and the last daisy loaf really shows the effect of a proper rise!
     
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  13. keithy

    keithy or queefy

    What is the stripyness?
     
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  14. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    During the final rise, it's in a cane banneton.

    Unless the loaf is properly wet / overproofed, it holds its shape well enough to only come into contact with the (floured) raised bits of cane.

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    (And if it does come into contact with the rest, then that'll probably cause trouble - it's a bugger to get a loaf out if it's stuck fast.)
     
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  15. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    What's the advantage to using one of them over just leaving it in the bottom of the bucket you have?
     
  16. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    í) æsthetics, obvs :thumþs:
    Ii) it's the right size. The bucket is vast.
    Iii) that means that, as it rises, it's also shaped / held in shape. (Not the case with the tub).
    iv) that also means there's less distance to drop. If I hauled it out of the bucket, it would be a malformed mess dropped from a foot up. And possibly in need of a reshape. Which defeats the whole point of the final proof. With the banneton, you just give it a jiggle, turn it upside down, and floop - perfectly formed and ready to go in the oven.
     
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  17. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    To clarify, it only goes in a banneton after a 30-60 min autolyse, 1-3 hrs in an oiled bucket, a preshape, half an hour on a surface, and another pre-shape tho. This isn't an oiled bucket replacement.
     
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  18. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    That all makes sense. :)

    Picked up 1.5kg of mixed seeds in town today for £4.50 when doing some shopping for work. Not sure if that's a good price but it will certainly do a few loaves.
     
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  19. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Pretty much a desperate bid to get three loaves baked before 1am. These have been sped up by my proofing cupboard and are going in together. Initial signs are catastrophic*, so let's see!

    *warm loaves don't hold their shape *at all* well. And two in at the same time = no spare space on the baking stone to expand / splooge (apart from off the edges).

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    Edit: if this works, tho, it'll literally pay my flour and energy bills for a week's worth of baking. Whilst still leaving me a loaf spare. So it's well worth it!
     
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  20. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    I find it amazing how fast commercial yeast does it's stuff. No starter at the moment and only home for 24 hours, so wanted to do a big loaf so I can take some away with me and leave some for my gf. Seems like I'd hardly left the dam thing and it was risen!

    It's a use stuff up loaf, so a few different types of white, spot of brown and a bit rye, with a fair helping of seeds. Just to mix things up further I thought I'd use some melted coconut oil. Will see how that goes. :hmm:
     
  21. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    Definitely take this as a quick loaf. :cool:

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  22. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    For reasons unknown, I've suddenly been inundated w requests for bread. Friend of the wife's wants me to supply all her weekly bread needs, and 2 colleagues have just asked for loaves.

    That's... looking quite logistically complicated. Errr, 1kg on Friday, 2kg thurs, probably another 2*1kg earlier in the week. And our fridge will only hold 2*1kg at any one time.

    This will require some thinking.
     
  23. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    You clearly need another fridge.
     
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  24. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Yeah, we can't even fit 2*1kg if I've got lots of food. (We have territorial shelves).

    Managed to bake 2*1kg together again today, which does open up the POSSIBILITY of getting up at 06:30 and baking 4 loaves (these two went in at 07:10, after I slept through an alarm), but the fridge thang still looks like a real bottleneck.

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    Those ^^^ are already gone. Sold one unexpectedly, put out ¾ of a loaf for colleagues, and have had literally 1 slice myself. Oh well! Wasn't that interesting, tbf! Plain white flour (meh).

    Need to also actually put bread income aside for flour. Otherwise I'll end up unexpectedly and idiotically broke when I next need to stock up.
     
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  25. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Where does the fridge come into your process mrs quoad?
     
  26. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Overnight!

    It's rare that I can both fully prep and bake loaves before midnight. Sanity nudges me towards prepping in the evening, baking in the morning.
     
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  27. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Attempting to mix 4.1kg of dough in one bucket turns out to be, what could quite comfortably be called, a massive fuckup.

    There are nuggets (small nuggets) of flour left in there. And the scales gave out 1.5kg into the flour weighing, just as an unknown spoonful was added. And I added a bit more when it all looked a bit wet. No doubt bc of the nuggets. Which I didn't discover until later.

    I'd guess 60-65% hydration, tops. Ish.

    It doesn't look promising.
     
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  28. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    Will it autolyse if you leave itong enough and then split it in to smaller batches for the machine?
     
  29. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

    Yeah, tbh, it isn't the autolyse (as such) that's the problem. Something has gone wrong with the initial mixing with a spoon, no doubt bc there's literally no spare room in the bowl.

    I have done 2*2kg before, now I think about it, so it's particularly stupid for me to've gone for 1*4kg this time. Worst case scenario, I'll give away a couple of fucked loaves to the people who wanted to buy em, and hopefully generate a bit more goodwill. (The limitation there is my boss, who I think may be partly buying in order to cover some of the cost of the vast qties I put out at work, and who wants to pay more than I asked for. He may still want to pay me for substandard loaves. Which I wouldn't be very happy about!)

    Best case scenario is that the flour nuggets will come out like nutty spelt berries. Not holding my breath there tho :lol:
     
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  30. UnderAnOpenSky

    UnderAnOpenSky baseline neural therapy

    Sounds like you need to step up your equipment. But hey it's a semi compering venture, so speculate to accumulate.

    I've no experience doing what your doing, but I can bodge stuff! If you split it in two then batch mix forong enough, wont it sort out the nuggets?
     
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