Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 Brazil' started by juice_terry, Jul 3, 2014.
i hope so
great news for germany
Scolari sent his guys out to kick Colombia, the ref bottled it and allowed things to escalate, and now look.
Even the lily-livered Beeb has ventured to print suggestions that the reffing wasn't all it should have been:
Agree. Not defending a horrendous tackle, but the Colombian players were clearly losing the rag about the lack of protection they were getting. It was obvious it was going to "escalate".
do you think brazil started it? my impression was that there was 'tight marking' from both sides from the off, but i wouldnt stand by that
Hope it didn't ruin your birthday.
Colombia are a good attacking side and it looked like Brazil went out to disrupt and intimidate them.
They did. And it worked for them. At end of the day, people will remember the score and not the tactics. Shame really, they didn't show much inspirational football today.
You're very kind, thank you. It has a bit, but there's a 2l bottle of rum here that is helping to take the pain away
Juan Zuniga who kneed Neymar is going to have to watch his back getting out of Brazil
You know, it'd be nice if you came back and acknowledged you were a million miles wide of the mark with that suggestion. Plenty of people corrected you on it. Escobar was shot by the bodyguard of two prominent drug lords after a slanging match which turned sour. The bodyguard admitted it (shielding his bosses from further investigation) and served a prison sentence for the crime. It was the twentieth anniversary of his murder two days ago, and the country is quite sensitive about it. It's not hard to find the facts of the case. Escobar was adored here. Uninformed flippancy isn't all that welcome.
And of course, it's only in weird foreign places where people kill each other over football matters, isn't it?
So much for "sexy spiritual football"
First clever thing he'd said all day....
Exactly right, I think. If you subtract all the pushing and shoving (Brasil may have got away with more but Colombia sure got their own back on Neymar) you get the same result on actual footballing performance. Colombia only lived up to recent form after the penalty. And the replay shows they were clearly, if only just, offside.
It just looked like a fair-sized creature blah blah until it took off it was the size of a flat cap!!
In a way, Colombia got Brazil out of the world cup by forcibly removing Neymar from the tournament. Don't fancy Brazil chances against Germany... Not unless David Luiz and Hulk can perform miracles. Shame
To make that equation work, you'd need to subtract Fernandinho from the Brazil team after 30minutes. The bloke was guilty of a bit more than pushing and shoving. He was kicking shit out of Quadrado & James from the off. Didn't even get a Yellow.
It's a shame that Naymar has to be the victim of some kind of injustice here but I think that by starting the dirty physical game Brazil brought it on themselves somewhat.
Any injustice felt for Naymar should then to be afforded to Colombia. Or, looking at it the other way, Brazil got a big dose of instant Kharma (© Glenn Hoddle).
Brazil were definitely up for aggro - and inevitably Columbia responded in kind. The ref seemed to be looking elsewhere and whistling whilst the teams carried out various attempts to cripple each other via ankle stamps and kneecappings. The brutal assault on neymar which has left him out of the world cup with a spinal injury was the end result.
The aggressive tactics worked for Brazil - columbia struggled to find their rhythm. In footballing terms Brazil were the better team and deserved to win. But this may be a pyrrhic victory with Neymar out and Thiago Silva (their best player on the night) suspended.
It was far from being a dull game - but I was hoping for some fast paced, attacking football with the likes of rodriguez and neymar being able to strut their stuff - rather than Leeds United vs Chelsea circa 1972.
Germany now official favs
You can get 66-1 on Costa Rica
Will all the neutrals now be cheering on for the germans?
Bit of a turnaround for Brazil in the popularity stakes innit?
Yep, exactly this. The ref was nothing short of pathetic last night, and Neymar's horrible injury, following a disjointed game full of fouls, was the result. I feel very sorry for Neymar, and there's no excuse for deliberately kneeing a player in the back, but yes, something of a pyrrhic victory for sure.
I do have a question that's been niggling me. Fred? He's even lost the splendid tache, for which I could forgive him a great deal. Sans tache, I just don't see any point to him.
i doubt it...theyre not really a team you get behind...its a bit like cheering on deep blue in a chess game
I think the fact that Brazil turned up to play the cynical game speeks volumes about the faith of their own ability against this Colombia team.
On football terms, they knew beforehand they were on to a loser.
Neymar has a fractured vertebra - am i right in thinking that could be very very serious indeed? Like potentailly wont play - or walk - again
Nope. Medical reports saying it is not as scary as it sounds. It needs to be rested to heal up is all.
Don't disagree with any of that. In fact I think giving Fernandinho 30m is generous - he was a disgrace - and I don't really understand why T. Silva didn't get a red for that petulant and utterly pointless foul on Ospina. I understand why the ref would want to keep his hands out of his pockets as long as possible given the occasion, but it was clearly not working this time and if he'd responded to that faster, the last three quarters of the game might have been more pleasant viewing.
I still think Brazil looked slightly more coherent, and Columbia considerably less so, than in their games so far and if they'd all shown up with the kind of sportsmanlike attitude of Belgium v USA the other night I think we'd have seen a similar scoreline - so all the more frustrating that Brazil didn't go for a less cyncial win.
Poor Rodriguez, didn't get much of a chance to play (who said Brazil can't defend? yeah, yeah, I agree, needed more yellow cards, ref was rubbish, etc), but he provided us with what I consider the best image of the match
If that fucking monster landed on my arm I wouldn't be waiting till I'd lost a world cup quarter final to start crying.
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