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Braintree vs Hamlet, Tues 15th Feb 2023

We're having no luck at the moment either. Injuries to Grainger and Owusu sound like they could potentially see them out for a while, and unless we can get Joe Felix's red card overturned he'll be banned for 3 games. That's 3 important players who we may lose now, 2 of which play a large part in our defensive game. I don't get the feeling that Aaron Jones is going to be an adequate replacement for Grainger.
That's the second time this season Grainger has been injured in the pre-match warm-up. Last time he was out for 3 weeks. If he's going to be out for that length of time again I think we need to get someone in on loan, because Aaron Jones just doesn't look ready for regular starts at this level from what I've seen of him. That's not his (or anyone else's) fault after Joe Osaghae walked out, and I'm not writing him off, but it's why we desperately need some form of reserve/development team. He's just turned 19 but hasn't been getting enough game time to improve and has no real experience of men's football, and playing a string of National South matches in our present position would be very much a sink or swim situation for both him and the club.
 
I suspect that the big attendances at the last few Saturday games are simply making up the shortfall incurred earlier in the season through postponements, terrible fixture planning (by the NL) or impact of industrial action on attendances rather than leaving us with a pot of money to play with.

Believe our average attendance to be 2040.

Budgeting around 2100? Not the end of the world.
 
We're simply leaking too many goals and are incapable of keeping clean sheets. We've only failed to score once in 30 league matches (even Ebbsfleet have 4 blanks) but we haven't had a single 1-0 win or goalless draw all season. We have to score at least twice to get a win. The football is aesthetically pleasing, so the slip ups seemed tolerable while we were winning enough games to keep us safely in mid-table, but there's a complete inability to grind out a result when necessary. The loss of Jayden Clarke a month ago, which seems to have slipped under the radar on match threads for our recent defeats, hasn't helped either. We lack pace in too many areas and look very vulnerable to the counterattack. Maybe we need to adopt a more dull and defensive approach to get some points on t

This is total relegation form

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Our average attendance is four times that of Braintree's.
Not looking good for the rest of the season at the moment. Something needs to change, if this was FIFA then it would be time to park the bus
 
Wr definitely need some defensive reinforcements. 58 goals against. Highest in the division and that with a good goalie who may now be out for a while

Definitely - and it makes the decision to let Hill go even stranger to me.

I think we definitely need reinforcements and for me the annoying thing is that this has been coming for a long time. Alarm bells about squad depth should have rung when we went to Taunton without any fit subs before Xmas. I know that was a freak scenario, but for me it was worrying that no one did anything to address that: why did we get on a coach knowing that we only had 11 fit players? Surely we knew at Thursday training that we were short, so why weren't we on the phone to any professional club within a 20-mile radius begging for a youth teamer or 2? Refuse to believe that we couldn't have got someone at short notice - even a kid had to be better than having four blokes on the bench that we knew could not come on. For me, it was a major problem that no one at the club took seriously, and now here we are, in a relegation fight, worrying about how we're going to cover more injuries and suspensions when our squad is not very big.

The new striker feels like a gamble to me. Played the majority of his career at a lower level - that's not necessarily an indication that he's not good enough for NLS, but equally there's no proof that he can cut it at this level either. I hope he comes good.

I'd like a loan or two from a pro club (a la Decarrey Sherriff), and a couple of new additions, particularly at the back. Otherwise I think we're in big shit.
 
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Everyone talks about hill leaving never played a league game for us signed him when is was injured let’s forget about him and move on
 
Everyone talks about hill leaving never played a league game for us signed him when is was injured let’s forget about him and move on
Yes, he may or may not have been a good fit for us but we'll never know. Hopefully his departure means funds are now available for the current manager to bring in a new potential starter of his own choice.
 
Anyone want to change their mind and agree with me yet?

Or too soon?

On what topic exactly? Not about Barnes, certainly: the football we're playing at the moment is, despite the results, a vast improvement on the last few seasons, and he's managed to make those improvements with someone else's squad, and with a budget that he's clearly had to cut. I feel desperately sorry for him, and I think it's impressive that he's got us playing very attractive football under such trying conditions. I think he's made some odd recruitment decisions at times, but that's nitpicking and I think he's perfectly entitled to try things out and tinker with the squad as much as budgets allow.

On the board: yeh, I think they do have questions to answer. The decision to give Gavin pre-season and to allow him to sign a load of players on contracts has been mentioned before on previous threads, but it is an absolute stinker, and I think the primary reason behind why we're in this mess.

Did the budget have to be cut as harshly as it has been, when we knew that Barnes had little choice about who to release because so many of the players are contracted? Could we have not given Barnes at least some money to work with, particularly as we know the squad is small and we have no academy to draw players from? Would we have cut it if Gavin had still been in charge? (I doubt it.) Why are we not using what's left of the 12th man money? Has anybody at board level offered to call up every pro-club in a 20-mile radius and ask for a loan or two for Barnes? I don't believe we couldn't have got some players for free or on the cheap.

It's all well and good saying Barnes must have known he had to cut the budget when he took the job, so he/we can't complain now that he can't bring in new players, but we're clearly in a big pickle and we need to do something. The plan was clearly that we could cut the budget and survive, but that plan is now in serious jeopardy and we need to react and change the plan immediately before we undo all the good work that was done over November and December and find ourselves relegated.
 
agree with u mr pink but 7 months into season he has gone waste of money sign somebody who is fit to play straight away if he gets injured playing for dulwich then that’s what happens in football.
 
On what topic exactly? Not about Barnes, certainly: the football we're playing at the moment is, despite the results, a vast improvement on the last few seasons, and he's managed to make those improvements with someone else's squad, and with a budget that he's clearly had to cut. I feel desperately sorry for him, and I think it's impressive that he's got us playing very attractive football under such trying conditions. I think he's made some odd recruitment decisions at times, but that's nitpicking and I think he's perfectly entitled to try things out and tinker with the squad as much as budgets allow.

On the board: yeh, I think they do have questions to answer. The decision to give Gavin pre-season and to allow him to sign a load of players on contracts has been mentioned before on previous threads, but it is an absolute stinker, and I think the primary reason behind why we're in this mess.

Did the budget have to be cut as harshly as it has been, when we knew that Barnes had little choice about who to release because so many of the players are contracted? Could we have not given Barnes at least some money to work with, particularly as we know the squad is small and we have no academy to draw players from? Would we have cut it if Gavin had still been in charge? (I doubt it.) Why are we not using what's left of the 12th man money? Has anybody at board level offered to call up every pro-club in a 20-mile radius and ask for a loan or two for Barnes? I don't believe we couldn't have got some players for free or on the cheap.

It's all well and good saying Barnes must have known he had to cut the budget when he took the job, so he/we can't complain now that he can't bring in new players, but we're clearly in a big pickle and we need to do something. The plan was clearly that we could cut the budget and survive, but that plan is now in serious jeopardy and we need to react and change the plan immediately before we undo all the good work that was done over November and December and find ourselves relegated.

On Barnes. I will wait til next season for everyone to come round albeit a top half performance wouldn’t be hard for any competent manager.

I’m sure he would do fine in the Isthmian being as its closer to his level.

You make some good points on the board but its already been shown they aren’t interested in taking on feedback.
 
Moroccan sunset why cut the budget best crowds in the league why didn’t we go for pavey south London boy I personally think our manager can’t rehack to game s in progress I hope we stay up and manager stays for next season then he can put his stamp on the team React bad spelling 👍❤️
 
Re the budget. If it is being cut, which seems likely, it's because the club has a policy of living within its means. I'm sure if there is slack it will now be released given the league position. However given we all moan about bankrolled teams, it would be a bit hypocritical of us to now spend stupid sums we don't have.

Yes the crowds are big but admission prices are cheap, we have no benefactor (some clubs in this division get six figure sums sunk in per season by benefactors) and Champion Hill is a money pit. The club also refused to take on debt during Covid. No doubt the taxpayers money is still helping at a few teams.

With transfer deadlines only just gone I suspect the bigger teams are hanging on in the hope of loaning out players to higher standard teams than us. Clearly that may change in the coming days.

However I believe we typically have to pay most / all of the wages on loans from higher level clubs which may be a challenge. Also players available are likely to be youngsters, new to adult football. Not sure you want too many of them given the current position.

If so, Paul can only really target non contract players who are willing to gamble on low pay for half a season in the hope of earning a contract next season. Drop down too far and players start to reject you, the good ones often have a step 3/4 club offering them guaranteed starts which they think is a better way of putting themselves in the shop window for 23/24. I know for certain of a step five player who has just turned down a Conference South club for that exact reason, they went to step four instead.

With little / no money Paul is fishing in a worryingly small pool l'm afraid. Hopefully there is a bit of money that can be freed up responsibly.
 
I love Paul Barnes. It doesn’t matter that he’s tactically inept and ill equipped for this level.

Everyone needs to focus on the positives like him asking the players to applaud fans after a game, mark of a quality manager.
 
I love Paul Barnes. It doesn’t matter that he’s tactically inept and ill equipped for this level.

Everyone needs to focus on the positives like him asking the players to applaud fans after a game, mark of a quality manager.

Lots of people like him because of who doesn’t 😹
 
Re the budget. If it is being cut, which seems likely, it's because the club has a policy of living within its means. I'm sure if there is slack it will now be released given the league position. However given we all moan about bankrolled teams, it would be a bit hypocritical of us to now spend stupid sums we don't have.

Yes the crowds are big but admission prices are cheap, we have no benefactor (some clubs in this division get six figure sums sunk in per season by benefactors) and Champion Hill is a money pit. The club also refused to take on debt during Covid. No doubt the taxpayers money is still helping at a few teams.

With transfer deadlines only just gone I suspect the bigger teams are hanging on in the hope of loaning out players to higher standard teams than us. Clearly that may change in the coming days.

However I believe we typically have to pay most / all of the wages on loans from higher level clubs which may be a challenge. Also players available are likely to be youngsters, new to adult football. Not sure you want too many of them given the current position.

If so, Paul can only really target non contract players who are willing to gamble on low pay for half a season in the hope of earning a contract next season. Drop down too far and players start to reject you, the good ones often have a step 3/4 club offering them guaranteed starts which they think is a better way of putting themselves in the shop window for 23/24. I know for certain of a step five player who has just turned down a Conference South club for that exact reason, they went to step four instead.

With little / no money Paul is fishing in a worryingly small pool l'm afraid. Hopefully there is a bit of money that can be freed up responsibly.

I'm not so sure. I'm all for living responsibly, and you rightly point out we're not a club with a benefactor, but was the decision to trim the budget done to live within our means (if so, why did we set it too high at the start of the season?), or was it because we thought we could survive and save a bit of money? I don't know the answer, but it seems to me unlikely that we'd have given GR a budget in pre season that we knew financially we could not maintain.

Re: pro youngsters. Mascoll and Sheriff were both green and came in and made a colossal difference when we were facing relegation in our first season in the NLS. And I think more pertinently it gives us more options. He clearly doesn't fancy Comley, Vint has lost form for whatever reason, and some of the others (won't name names) are a bloody liability. I don't think Barnes isn't aware of that. So surely better to have five youngsters on the bench that he can use, than a load of players of greater experience that he doesn't rate or have lost a lot of form. And not all pro clubs charge for youngsters: some do let them out for nothing or ask only for nominal contributions to wages.

I note as well that Weymouth got a couple of kids in from Reading the other week. One of them scored on Saturday, too. Pro academy football is of a lot higher standard these days, I think.
 
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Depends surely on the budget he's given.

On this we disagree slightly. Any manager of any kind whether in football or any other role in life should be able to get the most out of their current resources.

After all at National League South level and above lots of players are under contract. Isn’t that one of their qualities that were trailed - that “they were good with players”.

How often does a competent manager turn round a struggling side just with better management - quite often, which is how sides sack their manager and then stay up.
 
I think the message does seem to be survive this season with a very tight budget . That looked okay in December but not any more. Probably our 3 best players were Clarke , Felix and Grainger and it appears none will be in the starting line up very soon ( not sure when Felix's suspension kicks in). If money really is that tight perhaps an increase to £15 is the answer. Not popular but where else is the money going to come from. Our average attendances are nearly 1000 more than the next team

Also do we have use of the training ground locally that was about to happen at the end of last year? . I did ask on another thread but didn't get a response . Perhaps another Fan's forum is due ?
 
On this we disagree slightly. Any manager of any kind whether in football or any other role in life should be able to get the most out of their current resources.

After all at National League South level and above lots of players are under contract. Isn’t that one of their qualities that were trailed - that “they were good with players”.

How often does a competent manager turn round a struggling side just with better management - quite often, which is how sides sack their manager and then stay up.

I agree that the hallmark of a good manager is making a side that is more than the sum of it's parts (Craig Edwards being a particularly good example, IMO), but let's say Barnes is given a bottom six budget next season and gets mid-table (and outside top 10), then I think you'd say he's done well.

Also Barnes is relatively young for a manager (I believe he's 40): he's got plenty of time to grow and improve and make better decisions. I'd be more worried if he was 60 year old warhorse who'd been round the block multiple times.
 
I agree that the hallmark of a good manager is making a side that is more than the sum of it's parts (Craig Edwards being a particularly good example, IMO), but let's say Barnes is given a bottom six budget next season and gets mid-table (and outside top 10), then I think you'd say he's done well.

Also Barnes is relatively young for a manager (I believe he's 40): he's got plenty of time to grow and improve and make better decisions. I'd be more worried if he was 60 year old warhorse who'd been round the block multiple times.

I doubt we have or will give a bottom six budget and I don’t have anything against Barnes personally.

But I have no doubt they got given the job expressly because they are the anti-gav, i.e., compliant and will carry out the role they have been asked to do, imo to add value to the club at the cheapest possible cost, probably by helping with the youth setup.

I believe that was why they were hired and why they will fail on the football pitch.

I’m unsurprised the bosses at the football club are using somebody, it is after all what bosses do.
 
I doubt we have or will give a bottom six budget and I don’t have anything against Barnes personally.

But I have no doubt they got given the job expressly because they are the anti-gav, i.e., compliant and will carry out the role they have been asked to do, imo to add value to the club at the cheapest possible cost, probably by helping with the youth setup.

I believe that was why they were hired and why they will fail on the football pitch.

I’m unsurprised the bosses at the football club are using somebody, it is after all what bosses do.

Compliant in what sense?

Tbf, I have no objection to them bringing Barnes to the club because he's got the knowledge and the contacts to establish an academy - surely that's a good thing?

I think as well that you've got to bear in mind that the job would have been less attractive to some potential applicants than it might have been in the summer. We were in the relegation zone, with a lot of contracted players, and if the job came with the caveat that you'd have to cut the budget, then I doubt we were awash with high quality, Brennan/Dowson calibre options. Those managers are always in demand and would have established their own squads over the summer - why would they leave that for us? I'm not convinced there would have been many candidates that were significantly better options than Barnes, particularly given his track record with working with teams on tight budgets.
 
Compliant in what sense?

Tbf, I have no objection to them bringing Barnes to the club because he's got the knowledge and the contacts to establish an academy - surely that's a good thing?

I think as well that you've got to bear in mind that the job would have been less attractive to some potential applicants than it might have been in the summer. We were in the relegation zone, with a lot of contracted players, and if the job came with the caveat that you'd have to cut the budget, then I doubt we were awash with high quality, Brennan/Dowson calibre options. Those managers are always in demand and would have established their own squads over the summer - why would they leave that for us? I'm not convinced there would have been many candidates that were significantly better options than Barnes, particularly given his track record with working with teams on tight budgets.

Compliant in that they won’t challenge the board / stand up for themself / what is right. However, it can be defined.

An easy touch if you will.

And yes setting up an academy is a good thing but the person in charge of the first team has to be competent.

I believe Dulwich would be attractive to a higher quality manager but they probably would want more than the board want to give.

But also i believe a better balance could have been struck and they went to far, mainly basing it on who they felt comfortable with.

I have said enough on this topic and I believe we will stay up, mainly because eventually the players will ignore the manager enough to stay up.

As a legend, I hope they deliver what you deserve.
 
On the subject of the board, I can categorically say that they are reacting to feedback they’ve had at the moment, and I would urge people to read Ben’s programme notes in the Bath programme this weekend coming or when they go online next week. They are working very hard to help us get out of the position we’re in and ensure our survival and will be helping Paul as much as they can.

As a club employee, I’m not of course going to go into more details than that as there is of course confidential things, and there’s probably a lot going on that I don’t need to know about.

Whether you believe me or not is up to each individual on here of course, I’d like to think my track record on here down the years might count for a bit though!

But everyone at the club is acting on things, you have my word.
 
On the subject of the board, I can categorically say that they are reacting to feedback they’ve had at the moment, and I would urge people to read Ben’s programme notes in the Bath programme this weekend coming or when they go online next week. They are working very hard to help us get out of the position we’re in and ensure our survival and will be helping Paul as much as they can.

As a club employee, I’m not of course going to go into more details than that as there is of course confidential things, and there’s probably a lot going on that I don’t need to know about.

Whether you believe me or not is up to each individual on here of course, I’d like to think my track record on here down the years might count for a bit though!

But everyone at the club is acting on things, you have my word.

Everyone respects you. And everyone will echo that.
 
On the subject of the board, I can categorically say that they are reacting to feedback they’ve had at the moment, and I would urge people to read Ben’s programme notes in the Bath programme this weekend coming or when they go online next week. They are working very hard to help us get out of the position we’re in and ensure our survival and will be helping Paul as much as they can.

As a club employee, I’m not of course going to go into more details than that as there is of course confidential things, and there’s probably a lot going on that I don’t need to know about.

Whether you believe me or not is up to each individual on here of course, I’d like to think my track record on here down the years might count for a bit though!

But everyone at the club is acting on things, you have my word.

How are they getting this feedback, Tom? Are they reading this forum?

(Genuine question, not being provocative.)
 
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