Brady's, Brixton (Railway Hotel): history, chat and plans

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by citydreams, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    Brady's was closed down in the late 1990s and has remained derelict since squatters were evicted in 2002.

    What would it take to get this building open as a community area, available for hire by commercial events and operating on a not-for-profit basis?
     
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  2. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    I'd say reopening the pub as an arts-based community bar could be a winner.

    Cooltan had already proved the demand for live theatre/performance art/poetry/gigs whatever and - thinking selfishly for a moment - it would be the ideal home for Offline!

    There's a ton of talent in Brixton but far too few live venues. Despite its huge theatrical history, there's nothing here at all now AFAIK - an upstairs theatre at Brady's could be a real asset to the community.

    As for costing, it might be an idea to talk to the previous squatters who did a great job of sorting the venue out.
     
  3. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    What happened to the owners?
     
  4. dogmatique

    dogmatique merde alors

    The state the clocktower is in at the moment is a crying shame. Should be a well loved local landmark, not a grafitti covered wreck like it is.
     
  5. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    It's amazing that I can't find any info about the clocktower on the net other than a link from Urban that it is listed.
    Does anyone have anything from the archives or is it worth getting in touch with www.brixtonsociety.org?
     
  6. kea

    kea Banned Banned

    "You can ring the Listed Buildings Information Service on 020 7208 8221 who will fax you a copy of the listing for one particular building after a three day delay. You can see lists covering your local area and obtain copies of individual entries at your local council planning department, County Council offices and most local reference libraries. The full English national list is kept by English Heritage at the National Monuments Record, Kemble Drive, Swindon SN2 2GZ."

    www.heritage.co.uk
     
  7. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    They did a great job but everything was done on a shoestring in a very ad hoc way.

    I think this needs to be done properly, like the Raleigh Hall work. Proper surveys, feasibility studies, HLF grant applications etc.

    One thing that I think should be prioritised is getting the clock tower listed. I seem to recall we have discussed this here before. If there is enough weight of local support/feeling then it should be a goer?

    We also need to find out what the council is actually intending to do with it. This is never very easy with Lambeth but anything on paper should hopefully be accessible by putting in a Freedom of Information request.

    Where's Rabbie? He knows all about this sort of thing.

    I think the editor is pretty much right about the community bar/venue idea as a useful and realistic objective but then, of course, you've got to find out what the community really wants.

    But first things first. The council may not want to co-operate at all. Depends what their plans are. We'd have to know what we were actually taking on (by getting access for a start) before setting out any realistic aims. I don't know how bad a state of disrepair it's in these days.

    It is a tricky one and no mistaking.

    Sorry if all this sounds overly pessimistic. It's not that I don't want to see it happen -- I passionately want to see it happen. It's just not a quick stroll in the park, that's all.

    Are the talented and motivated peple of u75 up to making something happen?
     
  8. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    I went to the planning office with AK last year to look it up and it's not listed.
     
  9. kea

    kea Banned Banned

    fair enough, just addressing citydream's questions. perhaps the first thing to do is set out what's known about it / the situation / its condition / owners / etc?
     
  10. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    I wasn't being argumentative :D.

    You'd be forgiven for assuming the clocktower at least was listed -- I think a lot of people do -- but it isn't. It should be. I'm sure we discussed this before with our resident Lambeth experts. Rabbie? Bob? Pooka? I can't remember. Senile.
    Quite. It's a bit like finding the end of a ball of wool but far from impossible.
     
  11. kea

    kea Banned Banned

    no, i know, i was just trying to make the point that citydreams is commendably enthusiastic but perhaps needs to be brought 'up to speed' (to use management consultant speak :oops: ) on the current situation. (as do others who are interested, presumably - not singling them out in particular!)
     
  12. flameacademy

    flameacademy New Member

    i think you can get some of that info from The Land Regsitry - online - but costs a fiver or something...
     
  13. flameacademy

    flameacademy New Member

  14. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    Am I right in thinking LR can do free land registry searches? I hate to admit it but I don't even have a credit/debit card. :oops:

    If it's only 2 quid I'll reimburse somebody for doing it. In full! :D
     
  15. kea

    kea Banned Banned

    i remember him having done so in the past i think .... (i read a lot of his threads even tho i have nothing to contribute to them!!)
     
  16. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

  17. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

  18. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    :eek:

    TITLE NUMBER : TGL187911
    B PROPRIETORSHIP REGISTER
    This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It
    contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.
    TITLE ABSOLUTE
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    1 (26.04.2001) PROPRIETOR: =THE MAYOR AND BURGESSES OF THE LONDON
    BOROUGH OF +LAMBETH+= of Lambeth Town Hall, Brixton, London SW2 1RW.
     
  19. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    shit. I don't know if I've got the wrong records :(
    the above is for 22 to 26 (even) Atlantic Road, land to the rear of
    18 to 36 (even) Electric Avenue, and land on the
    east side of Electric Lane, Brixton
     
  20. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    Ohhhh, the irony. Never mind. A year has passed and I'm raring to give it another go.
     
  21. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    well. I've double checked and this is supposed to be for Brady's. I can see the public house on the plans.
     
  22. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    Not a chance! :)
     
  23. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    Yeah, that's the one.

    So we know it is still definitely owned (freehold) by the council. Good. Now we need to know what their intentions are. AFAIK they want to pull it down and build new flats, but I don't have documentary proof of that.
     
  24. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    I have a sneaking suspicion that it may be owned by Lambeth, with a housing association having an option on the site.

    IIRC the (very sketchy) plans were determibed by the need to leave space for the proposed lifts/escalators to new platforms on the high level railway - now dropped by TfL.

    Edited to add: ;) post now superfluous - that's what happens when work gets in the way of composing something on U75
     
  25. IntoStella

    IntoStella Banned Banned

    Any idea which HA?
     
  26. kea

    kea Banned Banned

    if you can tell me which HA, i can phone them in my 'official capacity' and ask what they want to do with it; might jolt them along or reveal something.
     
  27. citydreams

    citydreams on the road again

    Code:
    A. Guinness Trust Group
    020 7582 6474 Rupert House
    225 Kennington Rd
    London, SE11 6SU
    0.2 mi N - Directions 
        
    B. Kennington Park House
    020 7582 9522 Kennington Park Place
    London, SE11 4JT
    0.3 mi SE - Directions 
        
    C. Presentation
    0845 8800110 47-49 Durham St
    London, SE11 5JA
    0.4 mi SW - Directions 
        
    D. Vine Housing Co-op
    020 7793 7564 37 Bonnington Square
    London, SW8 1TF
    0.5 mi SW - Directions 
      References: housingcorp.gov.uk - 5 more » 
     
    E. Broadway Manor Place
    020 7703 6898 140 Manor Place
    London, SE17 3BH
    0.5 mi E - Directions 
      References: broadwaylondon.org - 1 more » 
     
    F. Eaves Housing For Women
    020 7735 2062 Lincoln House 1-3 Brixton Rd
    London, SW9 6DE
    0.6 mi S - Directions 
        
    G. Peabody Trust
    020 7021 4000 45 Westminster Bridge Rd
    London, SE1 7JB
    0.6 mi N - Directions 
      References: peabody.org.uk - 87 more » 
     
    H. Central & Cecil Housing Trust
    020 7922 5300 Cecil House
    266 Waterloo Rd
    London, SE1 8RQ
    0.7 mi N - Directions 
      References: ccht.org.uk - 34 more » 
     
    I. Anchor Trust
    020 7582 3184 Bernard Sunley House
    21 South Island Place
    London, SW9 0DY
    0.8 mi S - Directions 
        
    J. Harding Housing Association
    020 7735 2218 Ashton House Chryssell Rd
    London, SW9 6NE
    0.8 mi S - Directions 
    
    ;)
     
  28. kea

    kea Banned Banned

    that's a lot of housing associations. which one relates to brady's?

    edit: oh i see, you've just searched for those with offices near brixton. you do know that many housing associations operate across the city and indeed across the country, don't you? hence it's quite possible it's none of the above.
     
  29. gaijingirl

    gaijingirl Well-Known Member

    I would definitely be interested in getting involved in this.
     
  30. Bob

    Bob Rusesabagina for a nobel

    I'm touched I'm considered an expert! :) I can't remember anything beyond what's already been mentioned on this thread. I have dropped an email to somebody I might know at Lambeth who might know. It's a crying shame that the building isn't being used for something decent. I'd be quite happy if it were private sector as long it's something interesting like a live music venue or theatre. Just please not a bland block of flats or boring chain store :rolleyes:

    An FOI request would work but iirc my first one (submitted January) on what property Lambeth owns on CH lane was lost. :rolleyes: :mad:
     

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