The murder clear up rate is always way higher than any other category of crime, partially due to the fact that significantly more resources are dedicated to the investigations, but also due to the fact that the majority involve suspects known to victims in some way, involve physical contact between suspect and victim / scene and are not planned, hence evidence is usually everywhere, just waiting to be found. If the suspect is arrested within a few days (or even weeks) then it almost guaranteed that some substantive links will be established.
Boy shot dead in supermarket on Camberwell Road
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Tricky Skills
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Oh yeah, and to put some historical perspective on the current crime 'wave' - Mad Frankie Fraser (fool) walks his dog around this patch every day. South London has always had gang warfare. The current moral panic makes it seems like something new.
Jim Williams
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My general point is that it's a "too close to home" type thing. Especially the stabbing death just on our road on Saturday. The victim was a fellow just returning home from work.
The sleepless nights are worrying about becoming a victim outside, not while I'm sleeping.
8ball
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someone asks where your from - you tell them, they fuck you up
Tricky.
What if you're from Cornwall?
Etymologist
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Too close to home? Too Right. I live across the road from the costcutter on Camberwell road. I had to be escorted to my front foor last night because it was within the cordoned off area. I go to that costcutter every single day. It could have been me. Ironically I was having a late night ride at the skatepark in Brixton when it happened and I thought I was in danger there (it being dark and empty and brixton). Thank goodness I wasn't "safely" at home popping out for my usual 10pm snickers.
That is scary as hell. When I first read about it this morning (the policeman wouldn't tell me what had happened last night) I thought "its probably gang or drug related and since I'm not involved with gangs or drugs the at least I'm (relatively) safe", but hearing that the boy was an innocent bystander is terrifying. I love the area. I don't want to move.
That is scary as hell. When I first read about it this morning (the policeman wouldn't tell me what had happened last night) I thought "its probably gang or drug related and since I'm not involved with gangs or drugs the at least I'm (relatively) safe", but hearing that the boy was an innocent bystander is terrifying. I love the area. I don't want to move.
Used to shop there .....
I do shop there, it's my nearest costcutter, just at end of my road
List of cornered off for major incident places i lived/worked in London now reads:
- Dead body found the week we moved in on Newington Butts. Later in year: serious assault in broad daylight end of my street
- fire bombed our nearest news agent, one shop keeper dead two seriously injured (oval, Clapham rd)
- stun grenade"drugs raid" of rasta centre at 3am ,police obs for months
- 16 yr old stabbed to death in the cut through from my work to my bus stop
- last night: murder in our costcutter my road taped across no access
Watched jeremy kyle knife crime special today walked to bus stop to go to work and i have to say i was feeling it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ive-got-kids-who-sleep-with-knives-under-their-pillows-834553.html
most sensible take on it i've read in ages..
most sensible take on it i've read in ages..
same here
Thanks for that link. Its one of the better interviews Ive read with Camila Batmanghelidjh. Often she is a guest on News programmes, but she is on and off in mere minutes.
This bit struck me
Of the kids I know that have been in trouble, they have all been from 'good homes' (as far as you can know what is going on behond closed doors) by which I mean ordered, clean, non chaotic homes with professional parents who are present and active in their children's lives. It isnt just messed up kids committing crime.
This para speaks to so many young adults getting into trouble on the streets- current example the two men who threw the woman onto the train tracks for daring to ask them not to smoke.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Yep. The stuff about abuse and adrenaline is interesting. Sue Gerhardt's book "Why Love Matters" goes into this stuff in a lot of detail.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
<edit> . feck it, I don't want to get involved here.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Parenting doesn't exist in a vacuum though. It exists within a context of drugs, bad housing etc.
Yes. Hence the 'you dont really know what is going on behind closed doors' qualifier.
Etymologist
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That article is absolutely inspiring. If only she replaced Ray Lewis as Boris' mayor for young people... She clearly knows what she's talking about. Cheers for that. Its good to know someone very intelligent is working hard to save damaged damaging kids.
I know.. she should be on all the time when this subject is raised as usually what we get is just baffled/hysterical talking heads wringing their hands.
Bloody hell yeah, i saw that story on a newstand yest and straight away i thought of Camila's article and stuff she says about the 'red mist' reaction to 'disrespecting'.
You know I thought that the first time I heard about Ray Lewis and his fake boot camp bollocks. But as she says, people take a while to get past the clothes and headwraps.
There have been posters here who have worked with her give and have had less than glowing accounts about her way of working- being disorganised to an extent where it affected funding etc.
I'll try and find a link.
Nay problem. Yeah it is inspiring I hope Boris &co. will consult her at least but i doubt they will. Not if Cameron's line of 'if someone is carrying a knife then we have a right to expect them to be sent to prison' is to be followed...(e2a actually i think that is Brown's line too)
The poor sods on Jezz kyle this AM were carrying them cos they were shitting themselves that if they got off the bus in a certain post code and looked at someone wrong they'd get fucking stabbed. Jail all the scared/confused people isnt the way to go! anyway sure this has been said on these boards ( and i think already on this thread.) but yeah main thing is some people have got it right and we ned to spread the word for people to support//donate those people eg. Kid's Company as much as we can
bluestreak
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Things like that are the reason I don't go to supermarkets any more.
Netto has a better class of patron.
*sticks nose in the air*
snowy_again
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I don't think there's many questions about the work Kids Company does, just the way she uses emotional blackmail to elicit funds.
The whole recent "we'll have to close the place down if we don't get £x million a year" is in a fundraisers world smacked slightly of petulance, particularly when you speak to the staff who know its not the case. Still it made good headlines.
Besides, she has a great knack of weedling cheques out of visiting dignatries.
snowy_again
Slush
And RIP to the lad who got shot too.
I was astonished/ impressed by the news in that article that she was looking for £18mil and had already got £14 mil of it.
More power to her though.
ajdown
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7546536.stm
"Ryan Bravo, 18, from Brixton, south London, was killed in the Costcutter store in Walworth, south-east London, on Wednesday night."
"Police revealed that an earlier shooting, which may be connected, took place on Brixton's Myatts Field North Estate at about 1630 BST"
"Ryan Bravo, 18, from Brixton, south London, was killed in the Costcutter store in Walworth, south-east London, on Wednesday night."
"Police revealed that an earlier shooting, which may be connected, took place on Brixton's Myatts Field North Estate at about 1630 BST"
snowy_again
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Public stage of the appeal innit. I imagine the dress sense actually opens a few more doors for her!
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