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Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

What do you think of Boris's proposed ban on drinking on public transport?


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Crispy

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usual circle jerk in full effect today i see...

I'm sure you can continue this in the pub later... :rolleyes:
Get a grip, garf

There aren't two sides of an argument here, one sayingn "alcohol is harmless - glug away!" and the other saying "alcohol kills, even a little bit!"

You know full well that the situation is a lot more nuanced than that.

PS: The last thing I'd want to do is jerk the editor off - my opinions are my own and if I disagree with him I'll say so.
 

editor

hiraethified
The RMT union have declared themselves to be very unhappy about Boris's booze ban, declaring it unenforceable.
A transport union has criticised the Tube alcohol ban a year after it came into force, saying its members have been abused trying to enforce it.

The Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union says the ban is unenforceable.

London Mayor Boris Johnson banned the consumption of alcohol on Tubes, buses and the DLR to make the network safer at night.

The ban is not an arrestable offence because it is a condition of carriage on services and not a crime.

Hundreds of people partied on Tube trains last year on the eve of the ban.

Staff have the power to tell those caught drinking to leave the Tube.

British Transport Police (BTP) figures show public disorder cases have dropped 4.5% in the last year, with crime falling by 8.1%.

The RMT's Steve Hadley said: "They've brought it in without financing it properly, and brought it in without adequate staff, and to be quite honest it hasn't really worked.

"There's a lot of our members who have tried to enforce the booze ban, and they've been verbally abused by members of the public, and some of them have even been physically abused by members of the public."

The Mayor's transport adviser, Kulveer Ranger, said: "We feel it's been a good thing for Londoners, it has improved the environment on the Tube, there's aren't those empty cans and bottles of beer rolling around.

"It's really about having a cleaner, safer environment for people to travel in," he said.

Labour's transport lead on the London Assembly, Val Shawcross, said: "Boris says that the ban is his proudest achievement, but he has done nothing to make it work.

"There have been no arrests, no cautions, no alcohol confiscated and no records kept of how many people have refused to observe the ban."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8077589.stm
 

skyscraper101

0891 50 50 50
The ban is such a stupid PR stunt. I completely oppose the tarnishing of anyone who wants to enjoy a drink on the tube as a wrongun, just because there's been the (supposed) occasional rowdy behaviour by a few who have been drunk in the past.

Of course there's no way to measure how much they have drunk before getting on the tubes, and there's no way to stop drunk people travelling anyway. Stupid, thoughtless, PR stunt with no financial support or training to back it up causing headache for staff who I suspect couldn't care less if people drink so long as they behave and don't fuck about.
 

editor

hiraethified
Well, exactly. If people behave, why should it matter what they're drinking? And if they do misbehave, there's already ample laws in place to penalise them without making up extra unenforceable and pointless legislation that makes no difference at all in the real world.
 

teuchter

je suis teuchter
Labour's transport lead on the London Assembly, Val Shawcross, said: "Boris says that the ban is his proudest achievement, but he has done nothing to make it work.

"There have been no arrests, no cautions, no alcohol confiscated and no records kept of how many people have refused to observe the ban."
Presumably this is because it isn't an arrestable offence, as stated earlier in the same article?:confused:

Anyway - I have continued to drink on the tube with the same frequency as I did before, and haven't been challenged once.

As for the RMT - why are their members bothering to try and enforce it? Are they now technically required to do something if they see someone drinking - or is it discretional?
 

editor

hiraethified
Our Northern Line tube to Old Street was packed full of drinkers tonight and the only mild irritation came from a (non-drinking) oddball transsexual dressed in a bizarre Muslim costume who insisted in cavorting around the carriage floor.
 

Endeavour

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As for the RMT - why are their members bothering to try and enforce it? Are they now technically required to do something if they see someone drinking - or is it discretional?
Yeah it's odd isn't it.

The RMT allowing their members to become pretend police with the sole power of asking 'offenders' to leave the transport system.

The RMT's Steve Hadley said:
"There's a lot of our members who have tried to enforce the booze ban, and they've been verbally abused by members of the public, and some of them have even been physically abused by members of the public."
Must have changed for the worse for them since the ban I would have thought for them, amen.
 

Boris Sprinkler

Dont be scared
I've just ignored it whenever I have been over to be honest. Carried on as before
. I am more worried about this though

"Kulveer Ranger, said: "We feel it's been a good thing for Londoners, it has improved the environment on the Tube, there's aren't those empty cans and bottles of beer rolling around."


If that is a journo's typo then ok. If not, what the fuck are they doing working in PR
 

winjer

holocene death beat
A PC lunges at Chris Leonard and grabs him by the neck as police try to clear a train station packed with party-goers.

Astonishingly it was Chris – who claims he was punched in the face up to four times and got two suspected cracked ribs when the officer threw him to the floor and knelt on him – who was charged with assault.

This week the case was thrown out of court after prosecutors reviewed a police video and Press pictures of the incident. Chris, 26, is now preparing to sue the police over the assault and for malicious prosecution and false imprisonment.

And he is planning to go to the Independent Police Complaints Commission about PC James Hendrick – the officer he claims assaulted him at Liverpool Street station in May last year. PC Hendrick is in the Met’s Territorial Support Group.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/08/09/shock-pic-of-man-battered-by-police-and-thrown-in-jail-115875-21583044/
 

Brixton Hatter

Home is south London mate
i still drink on the tube, mainly going to/from footy matches, and to be honest, no-one ever gives me a second glance. no one really cares!
 

FridgeMagnet

Administrator
A Met police spokesman said: “Now we’re aware of these allegations the Directorate of Professional Standards will look into them due to the seriousness of the allegations being made against our staff.”

A British Transport Police spokesman said: “We’ve been made aware of the issue and we’re looking into it as a matter of urgency.”
HELP my eyes have rolled right into the back of my head and won't come back!
 

paolo

Well-Known Member
I still have the odd drink on the bus. Not had anyone look at me disapprovingly at all. One time, on a fairly busy bus, a 'well to do' lady sat next to me started rummaging in her bag, and pomptly decanted some wine from a bottle into a more anonymous flask :)
 

blossie33

trailer trash
I've seen a few people drinking on the buses since the ban.

I don't think all the seats are visible to the driver and as long as you are not making a nuisance of yourself or someone complained, it's very unlikely the driver would challenge you about it.
 

grit

an ugly force for good
As a new arrival I'm really surprised that it was actually allowed in the first place.

Personally I dont really care once they are not causing any trouble to any other passengers. I'd imagine thats a lot of peoples view on it?
 

paolo

Well-Known Member
On Berlin's S-Bahn, there's places selling cold beers. On some station platforms there's even tables to perch up at, have a smoke etc. Very civilised over there. :)
 

Badgers

Mr Big Shrimp!
On longer train journeys I find a few beers (ideally from the offy not the buffet car) is very pleasing.
I suppose that the tubes/buses are a bit more confined but still think the whole things is a bit lame really.
 
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